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Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

NewJazz wrote: post #16
mistrial9 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My employer is asking me to try out Copilot this says more about your employer than CoPilot ?

Wdym, the whole comment or just that statement? If you meant the statement, then yeah. I was just offering the context for my usage of copilot. Essentially a solution in search of an unstated problem.

It’s amusing to me to see companies asking their devs to play with AI to try to find some kernel of value there.

Meanwhile, if said devs do that playing in other languages/frameworks, they’re chastised for not focusing on business value.

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Post by josephcsible »

Warning: This is released under the Elastic License, which for obvious reasons is neither free software nor open source:

> You may not provide the software to third parties as a hosted or managed service, where the service provides users with access to any substantial set of the features or functionality of the software.

> You may not move, change, disable, or circumvent the license key functionality in the software, and you may not remove or obscure any functionality in the software that is protected by the license key.

https://github.com/posit-dev/positron/blob/main/LICENSE.txt

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by ZunarJ5 »

teruakohatu wrote: post #5

This looks great, combining the best of VSCode and RStudio. I prefer coding in VSCode but prefer data exploration in RStudio. One issue with this is the lack of copilot. Copilot can be installed on VSCodium [1] but it breaks often. The other is MS’s proprietary Remove Development extension that enables a lot of functionality in VSCode. There is an open equivalent but I haven’t tried it [2] [1] https://github.com/VSCo…

https://tabby.tabbyml.com/

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by esalman »

manilbeat wrote: post #20
gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

Rstudio came out a long time ago at this point. I actually think it feels quite dated personally. A data science focused version of VS Code with some kind of notebook sounds rather awesome to me.

I agree, Rstudio is really dated. Been using R and Python at work in parallel, I find Rstudio cannot do obvious things that R extension for VS Code can- like stopping at a breakpoint in the middle or knitting an Rmd file that has embedded code.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by esalman »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #18
gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

I think the R people see the writing on the wall. Python has sucked all the air out of the room, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to target the R space exclusively. If you had no legacy or compliance requirements, are you going to start a new data project in SAS, R, or Python? Where are you going to find the most talent?

I have an impression that most SotA algorithms in many fields that are not deep learning are made available first as R (or even Matlab) package. Obviously they do get ported to python once they receive enough traction.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by esalman »

adityamwagh wrote: post #7
teruakohatu wrote: post #5

This looks great, combining the best of VSCode and RStudio. I prefer coding in VSCode but prefer data exploration in RStudio. One issue with this is the lack of copilot. Copilot can be installed on VSCodium [1] but it breaks often. The other is MS’s proprietary Remove Development extension that enables a lot of functionality in VSCode. There is an open equivalent but I haven’t tried it [2] [1] https://github.com/VSCo…

How are you guys using Copilot? I feel it’s a PITA and interferes in between everytime I try to use it. How do you use it properly?

I work somewhere where they actively encourage copilot, and I actually have some good use-cases.

Most of the time it is just autocomplete on steroids. Scanning the suggestion and hitting tab is almost always faster especially if you have to write a lot of repetitive code.

Generating useful documentation.

I work a lot with legacy codebases. Oftentimes I use copilot to explain what a chunk of code is doing, or give it a requirement and see what it generates based on context. At this point I think working with a legacy codebase as a new maintainer would be a lot harder if I didn't have copilot.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by kyawzazaw »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #18
gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

I think the R people see the writing on the wall. Python has sucked all the air out of the room, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to target the R space exclusively. If you had no legacy or compliance requirements, are you going to start a new data project in SAS, R, or Python? Where are you going to find the most talent?

the problem is life sciences and statisticans are not going to learn Python though. and that's the talent

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by dongobread »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #18
gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

I think the R people see the writing on the wall. Python has sucked all the air out of the room, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for them to target the R space exclusively. If you had no legacy or compliance requirements, are you going to start a new data project in SAS, R, or Python? Where are you going to find the most talent?

I'm not sure what would lead to you believe this. I've worked in the data science/ML space for over a decade now and I see the majority of pure analytics projects started in R, including at big tech companies I've worked at recently.

Of course, ML projects and other things that need to result in production-grade models are almost always done in Python. This is currently the most visible form of "data project" due to all the ML/AI hype, but it is far from the only data work going on.

Re: Maker of RStudio launches new R and Python IDE

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Post by ImaCake »

juujian wrote: post #19
gepost wrote: post #17

What is the strategy behind the dizzying pace of product changes in the R/Python space? I heard that RStudio was a great product, yet they have to redo everything again, of course also renaming the company as is also standard practice in the Python "scientific" market. Is it Jupyter envy? Why is it not possible to keep one good product and stay with it? I wish MatLab licenses weren't so expensive, at this point I'd j…

As a regular R/bash/python user, I think the Posit philosophy is increasingly to break down barriers between the languages. It's no longer an either/or relationship, you can use both. And some packages or features that have been ported to python are just objectively worse in that language, so the want for R is definitely there. Also, a lot of the Posit team are fully "bilingual", it's not like the old guard of academ…

>ported to python are just objectively worse in that language

This is absolutely the case. Dplyr syntax is much more intuitive for many use cases than Pandas or Polars equivalents.

One thing I miss from RStudio is the Rmarkdown documents with inline outputs. Jupyter notebooks, even in VSCode, are so needlessly over-engineered and under-featured compared to the elegance of RMarkdown. So I am excited to see what Posit can do to bring that experience to python. My git repos will be thankfull anyway.

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