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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by proactivesvcs »

hengheng wrote: post #363
proactivesvcs wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens when your files are considered Bad and Microsoft removes them? When the OneDrive backend suffers bit rot or misconfiguration? What happens when your Microsoft account is compromised? When the photos of your kids in the bath are sent to the police? When you have a 10GB file that's frequently modified and the client then constantly scans it and uploads it? When your abusive partner, relation, co-worker or…

Any of this would be an implementation level fault, and Dropbox, iCloud, Google Photos and Meta's chat apps have had this solved for decades. I don't see why OneDrive couldn't. If you hate the design, don't let your arguments rely on a bad implementation of what you hate. Make them work with a perfect one.

iCloud sometimes silently fails to download files. Dropbox have, on multiple occasions, resurrected years-deleted files, Drive is a dumpster fire - it doesn't even support exclusions, so will happily (try to) sync multi-gigabyte PST files, causing drastic CPU, drive and network IO saturation and Outlook faults. But hey, at least people consent to this trouble.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by amluto »

amelius wrote: post #357
amluto wrote: post #183

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Apple’s apps make it pretty clear when something is local and when something is in iCloud. Even for iCloud users, it’s usually an explicit choice per file or object. Photos is the notable exception.

I don't want to worry about exceptions.

I’m pretty sure there’s also a very-much-not-fine-print notice about iCloud Photos when you set up a device, and you can easily turn iCloud Photos off. The only part missing is that you can’t enable iCloud Photos but choose, per photo, whether to sync the photo.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by Loxicon »

cyanydeez wrote: post #207
amluto wrote: post #179

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Maybe write to the FTC? This is a privacy violation. It’s also arguably anticompetitive— they’re auto-enrolling you in an MS product you didn’t want to use, and this comes at the expense of either just local use or of any competing system. IMO this is also something that the US should shut down hard for a very different reason: every time anyone complains about a vendor, usually Chinese, misusing American data, the U…

Its probably worse. Theyre doing tbis to get people using copilot.

Honest question, how is this related to CoPilot?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

yard2010 wrote: post #339
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #184

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I literally did an install of Win 11 this week - trying to stay offline didn't work, trying to enter false details didn't work, couldn't find any other tricks and so had to make yet another account. Got it installed, added the family as users, tried to login to my young child's freshly minted account. Apart from taking forever, you then have to go through all the "let us copy all your data" and "we're going to advert…

At this point I'm not sure why to upgrade to Windows 11? Win10 EOL is 10.2025. And then you can upgrade to Windows 12, which should be good because it's even (98 shit xp good vista shit 7 good 8 shit 10 good 11 shit...)

Yeah, demand from family members...

Well done to MS marketing I suppose.

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Post by thewebguyd »

neither_color wrote: post #140
suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I don't like leaving negative or hyperbolic comments on HN, but this was enraging and unacceptable to me. It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged You're not unhinged, there's been a fundamental change in internet culture and the early 2000s free internet people are considered loony now. Ive been laughed out of Discord groups(it's what the under 30s use these days instead of chats and forums, and is itself…

This has been a struggle for me as I've gotten older - and I'm not even that old (36) but I've noticed such a big culture shift with the younger generations.

I've been accused of holding "far right" views, or at best an overly paranoid nut, for some of my opinions on software and internet freedom, for promoting E2E encryption, and lamenting the loss of public forums to private, hidden from search, discord/Facebook groups, etc.

To be honest, it's difficult to sit by and watch the enshittification of everything tech while seeing the younger crowd be totally OK with it, and in a lot of cases even defend it.

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Post by thewebguyd »

geek_at wrote: post #250
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #184

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I literally did an install of Win 11 this week - trying to stay offline didn't work, trying to enter false details didn't work, couldn't find any other tricks and so had to make yet another account. Got it installed, added the family as users, tried to login to my young child's freshly minted account. Apart from taking forever, you then have to go through all the "let us copy all your data" and "we're going to advert…

From what I see the only working method for creating an offline account is during the windows setup when you press shift + F10 which will spawn a command line window where you have to enter "oobe\bypassnro" which will reboot the computer and on the wifi selection screen will give you a "I don't have an internet connection" button Won't work though if you're Already configured for wifi

If buy a PC with windows 11 pro instead of home, you can also just click other options and choose "Domain join instead." you don't actually have to enter any domain info, etc it'll just have you create a local account.

Won't really help "regular" people since most off-the-shelf, i.e. Best Buy, computers come with Home but if you stick to business lines (ThinkPads, XPS, Latitude, Precision, EliteBook and ProBooks, etc.) you get Pro edition.

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Post by tremon »

freedomben wrote: post #374
TheRoque wrote: post #269

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Luckily there wasn't any weird content, just work stuff and memes with colleagues. I couldn't even open the files because it was locked under her login/password, literally just see the thumbnails and titles of the file. It's such a weird feature. Imagine opening your file explorer and seeing the attached files of your ex's emails, updated live, it's a nightmare I swear.

That's so wild! It does sound like a nightmare. Also a catastrophic violation of privacy (by MS).

Not just violation of privacy; since this was her work account, MS is also leaking private company correspondence.

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Post by thewebguyd »

fencepost wrote: post #102
wtallis wrote: post #6

Microsoft makes it a pain, but you can still jump through some CLI hoops to use only a local user account to log in to Windows, rather than the cloud-conmected Microsoft account they try to funnel you into. Not logging into a Microsoft account prevents OneDrive from doing anything other than spamming you with notifications about how great it would be if you logged in and started using it. And you can still uninstall…

Or if ordering a new PC you can get one with Windows 11 Pro for a few $$ more, choose the option to domain join (during initial setup) to create a local account, and create user accounts with no Microsoft account. Makes it easier to do minor little things like drive encryption as well.

This. Way easier than any CLI workarounds, and pro is very available. Just don't buy your laptop from Best Buy and the likes. Stick to the better product lines. ThinkPad, XPS, Precision, Latitude, EliteBook, ProBook, Surface, etc. almost all come with pro as default or as an available option.

Just stay away from the more consumer oriented product lines

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Post by thewebguyd »

elorant wrote: post #40

Why is Win11 such a pain though? I don't get it. You had Win10 that worked just fine and they went on and fucked it up to what gain? Did they manage to sell more of other products in their lineup? And you do all that when Apple has its own silicon and produces superb laptops that could lure a lot of people in their ecosystem. I understand that Windows isn't the cash cow it used to be, they've moved to greener pasture…

Oddly enough, it's not an unusual pattern for Microsoft, other motivations aside like data collection. Generally, only every other version of Windows is good.

98 good, ME - bad, XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good. Par for the course, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of refinement, and some changes rolled back for Windows 12.

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Post by thewebguyd »

netsharc wrote: post #123
elorant wrote: post #40

Why is Win11 such a pain though? I don't get it. You had Win10 that worked just fine and they went on and fucked it up to what gain? Did they manage to sell more of other products in their lineup? And you do all that when Apple has its own silicon and produces superb laptops that could lure a lot of people in their ecosystem. I understand that Windows isn't the cash cow it used to be, they've moved to greener pasture…

At least the version number increment is probably necessary because of the "breaking change" of requiring TPM, so they can move into a locked-down ecosystem like the iPhone, which I'm guessing is MS's goal within a few years. But the terrible UI/UX? I guess they saw they had to entice users to move by changing the look and feel, but didn't give the programmers enough time, so it was mostly unfinished garbage when it…

Microsoft painted themselves into a corner with Windows and backwards compatibility.

They do crap like UI mixing (old and new versions existing together) because backwards compatibility is what got them the marketshare they have in the enterprise (well that and anti-competitive practices). At some point, to improve their products, they are going to have to break compatibility and just push forward, and yet they can't because that would immediately alienate a significant portion of their enterprise customers that rely on that compatibility to run old software from vendors that no longer exist, that are critical to operating some niche equipment - hell, it's not uncommon for me to see air gapped windows XP machines still in production running some critical workload.

So they're stuck because they both simultaneously need to move forward but also can't break the old stuff without screwing over their customers.

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