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Adjacent point, but I recently bought a Windows laptop (after 10 years on Mac). I've been blown away by the sheer amount of advertising & upsells at OS level. Some of it you can turn off, but others you can't seem to (for me at least). I don't ever remember Windows feeling like you're borrowing it from MS.
Adjacent point, but I recently bought a Windows laptop (after 10 years on Mac). I've been blown away by the sheer amount of advertising & upsells at OS level. Some of it you can turn off, but others you can't seem to (for me at least). I don't ever remember Windows feeling like you're borrowing it from MS.
I left windows for Linux back in the middle of the XP days. I came back to this for contracting work and setting up a shared VR gaming computer in the living room. The absolute shit level of treatment windows users tolerate is mindboggling. On the corporate laptops I am lent the advertising is generally minimal, but non-zero, and that surprised me. If I search I don't want whatever you are selling I want files on thi…
I thought this was going to be about bundling Teams in O365 and other biz deals. It's wild to me that Teams is so fucking horrible that many businesses who effectively get it for free as part of other dealings still choose to pay for Slack. Sadly I know of many, many more companies where the offer is indeed too good to refuse, much to the disappointment of their workforce. I was helping out at a place where two emplo…
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The US DOJ famously almost broke up Microsoft over them bundling IE.
To be honest I think this would have been a better outcome for Microsoft in the long run.
Why is it okay for Office to include Word, Excel, or PowerPoint but not a chat application? Does the EU get to decide what is reasonably considered part of a productivity suite? Or is the only requirement that a competitor complains? This sure seems to say it's illegal to bundle any products together if a competitor for one of the products complains about it.
A friend told me about how his workplace have switched from Zoom to Teams for video calls because they use Office and Teams is now bundled with Office so they don't have to pay extra for Zoom. > This sure seems to say it's illegal to bundle any products together if a competitor for one of the products complains about it. It's not bundling itself that's the issue. The use of one market to encroach on another is what's…
This isn't about consumer protection. This is about petty people still trying to "get" Microsoft after 30 years, it's all so tiresome.
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Why is excel and word any more connected than teams and excel or teams and word? Or even outlook? If outlook can be grouped with “office suite”, and EU didn’t have a problem with that, why not Teams? It is also for communicating with people.
Because word and excel go together in the needs of a business and those who usually buy one use the other as well. All competition of MS in this space offer similar products bundled in a similar way. Teams is a recent addition which is orthogonal and is a product from entirely another market where the competition has offerings without an office suite. Looking from there, MS uses unrelated offering to hide the price o…
Outlook is probably the most widely used, and again, if outlook can be considered part of the office suite, which it has been for decades, why not another communication software?
My broader point being these groupings are all pretty arbitrary.
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It's as if they saw how badly they messed up the Lync -> "Skype for business" transition and thought, "Yeah let's try that again".
Linq is a C# DSL for SQL. You must have been thinking about Lync.
Maybe if Slack offered proper video conferencing tools it would not complain. Should ask Zoom for advice.
I worked for a company that used Google Chat internally and we'd use Teams with some clients. People kept telling me how much better Slack is, but now that I work for a company that does have Slack, I can't say that it's any better. In fact I'd probably rank Google Chat highest of those three options.
Microsoft is giving people free replacement that is in some ways better (but with a worse interface). There's no point in NOT using Teams, when it's at least no much worse. In the same way where people are using Google Chat, or whatever it's called now, because they use GSuite / Google Workplace and the integration is really good. Teams just needs to be cheaper than Slack, unless Slack massively overhauls everything.
Soon the EU will charge parents for giving their children undue advantages as well. In all seriousness - giving yourself an advantage is obviously what all companies want to do. Why doesn’t the EU just, for each company, say exactly what they want? I honestly don’t understand the EU - they don’t want any company to do anything to have an advantage compared to their competitors? Seems like an exercise in mediocrity. I…
So what's the alternative you're proposing? That we let companies abuse their position and do whatever they want? > they don’t want any company to do anything to have an advantage compared to their competitors? Let's imagine the answer to this question is yes. Let's assume the EU doesn't want any company to do anything to have an advantage and that they believe a company should gain or lose market only based on the q…
The alternative is if they don’t like the company they should just ban wholesale.
I honestly don’t see the point of banning bundling. There are plenty of bundled things that are ignored. Great example of this ironically is iMessage in the EU. Bundled but dwarfed by WhatsApp.
If this is anti-competitive, is it anti-competitive for Apple to bundle music features/up-sell into the iOS UI, or provide an interface for headphones that no other manufacturer can integrate with?