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Ask forgiveness. Did Microsoft already wipe out Slack during these four years of bundling since the complaint of 2020?
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You’re correct. I am not an expert on anti trust, but I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. We will see in 100 years if regulation was the right move or not. As for education - I doubt all public education in the EU is equivalent, or tutoring is banned, or additional resources, etc.
>I am not an expert on anti trust, but I do see that the EU has missed the boat on every new industry in the 21st century compared to the USA. Are you able to cite any examples of 'missing the boat'?
- semiconductor manufacturing
- Internet and social media, streaming services, etc.
- Cryptocurrencies
- Smartphones and related app stores
- Electric cars
- Self-driving cars
- AI
It certainly feels like all the technological innovation happens in the US, and sometimes in China, but never in Europe.
Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.
Don’t forget compensation! Microsoft should be forced to pay compensation to anyone who has ever used Teams, scaled in proportion to the number of hours they’ve had to leave it running on their computer.
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No one is getting a competitive advantage by bundling curl, which is the entire point of this argument.
wget begs to differ. Kidding aside, where exactly does it end? How do you consider when you’ve hit “too much” and how many pieces must be split out when you do? Should every product in the Office suite be offered only individually?
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What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol
And that’s the upgraded version. Previously it just… wasn’t possible at all?
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Because this is not bundling of features, but of market products. Here the bundling merges two markets which are not related, while it might make sense to bundle word and excel for example which are parts of an office suite while teams is totally different business solution.
How do you define "not related" - why would a collaboration tool not be considered part of something called "office suite"? Also to the parent's point, why is it that Google are allowed to bundle Meet as part of their Google Workspace - it does seem like the violations are only applied based on retroactive decisions.
Microsoft is targeted at the moment because they are market leader on the office suite market and they are leveraging this position to capture the colab software one. Google is not a market leader and in addition, they don't have offline tools to separate from their workspace, though this is less significant than the market dominance.
Why don't they apply the laws universally and effectively make this kind of bundling illegal for mega corporations? For endusers, it feels like they are playing with different rules for Microsoft Apple Adobe and Google. Since EU waits until the damage is done and milks them, it barely helps the situation for consumers. For corps they just assume the penalty as cost of doing business.
Because this is not bundling of features, but of market products. Here the bundling merges two markets which are not related, while it might make sense to bundle word and excel for example which are parts of an office suite while teams is totally different business solution.
I never understood how Microsoft giving you software you are not forced to use is bad, but apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not. From anti user perspective MS does a lot worse than adding teams - mandatory online accounts to begin with.
It's not mandatory - there's a simple 11-step sequence of hacks that if executed correctly will let you create an offline user /s.
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Defaults and bundling are inherently unfair. Chrome shouldn't be bundled with Android. Google search shouldn't be the default. Google Wallet / Google Pay shouldn't be the default. Same for Apple and Microsoft. Apple Cash shouldn't be the default in Messages, ... the list goes on and on. Platform providers can easily attack businesses outside of their core business by setting defaults. They use these synergies to wiel…
The browser is a tricky one. It is the chicken that lays the rest of the eggs. I’m not going to tell my mom how to curl a copy of Brave onto her machine because no browser was provided.
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It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft teams (Personal)" teams, which I have to close. Not just every boot, even after I close it manually, I still find it running constantly. I've no idea what triggers it, but it doesn't seem to obey any startup settings.
Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.