And I guess the next one will be OpenAI trash (aka Bing chat enterprise or something) bundled in O365
Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#122They don't just bundle it, they make it auto-start on screen on Windows machines whether you've got an account or not.
It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft teams (Personal)" teams, which I have to close. Not just every boot, even after I close it manually, I still find it running constantly. I've no idea what triggers it, but it doesn't seem to obey any startup settings.
I have the same problem on my Mac since installing Teams. Now Microsoft Update Manager starts every time I boot, even though it's not listed in the boot items. And it always shows that I have an update available ... to Microsoft Update Manager. It's a software ouroboros.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#123I’m curious what materially changed beyond Slack complaining. Microsoft has long bundled Lync/Skype-for-Business with Office 365. Hell it did that, I’m pretty sure, before Slack even existed.
skype for business didn't really take off as much as team now. Team spread like a cancer like nothing else before.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#124Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.
What would I ever do without my software engineering team collaboration tool that can't send a fucking code snippet without burning half the screen on whitespace and a 400px font size title lol
I've taken to sending code snippets as regular message text with the monospaced font, because the code snippets feature is so awkward and slow (and sometimes won't load for the recipient at all).
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#125Oh well. I guess it's time for Microsoft to discontinue Teams, destroy any related IP, purge any copies from GitHub/developer workstations/backups, forcibly uninstall it from end-user machines, update Windows to forcibly delete any copies installed in the future, and never, ever, ever under any circumstances try to compete in the chat/video conferencing market ever again. The world will survive, if just barely.
Or maybe MS could try real competition.
A standalone product the user can buy and install if he wishes to.
You know, like other companies who don't happen to be the OS developer.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#126I never understood how Microsoft giving you software you are not forced to use is bad, but apple limiting which software you can run on your device is not.
From anti user perspective MS does a lot worse than adding teams - mandatory online accounts to begin with.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#127Ask forgiveness.
Did Microsoft already wipe out Slack during these four years of bundling since the complaint of 2020?
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is getting a competitive advantage by bundling curl, which is the entire point of this argument.
wget begs to differ. Kidding aside, where exactly does it end? How do you consider when you’ve hit “too much” and how many pieces must be split out when you do? Should every product in the Office suite be offered only individually?
What if we just make them bundle their competitors products if they want to buy dle their own?
That means that Firefox nextcloud and bitwarden are installed by default on windows/macs
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#129They don't just bundle it, they make it auto-start on screen on Windows machines whether you've got an account or not.
It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft teams (Personal)" teams, which I have to close. Not just every boot, even after I close it manually, I still find it running constantly. I've no idea what triggers it, but it doesn't seem to obey any startup settings.
Oh, is that what my coworkers use when we get the "a user from outside your organization is waiting to join" message?
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#130Why don't they apply the laws universally and effectively make this kind of bundling illegal for mega corporations? For endusers, it feels like they are playing with different rules for Microsoft Apple Adobe and Google. Since EU waits until the damage is done and milks them, it barely helps the situation for consumers. For corps they just assume the penalty as cost of doing business.
Because this is not bundling of features, but of market products. Here the bundling merges two markets which are not related, while it might make sense to bundle word and excel for example which are parts of an office suite while teams is totally different business solution.
How do you define "not related" - why would a collaboration tool not be considered part of something called "office suite"?
Also to the parent's point, why is it that Google are allowed to bundle Meet as part of their Google Workspace - it does seem like the violations are only applied based on retroactive decisions.