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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by dang »

camillomiller wrote: post #147
BoredPositron wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Your comment gets the cake. The guy just expressed surprise at how zoning works in California and he is absolutely right. Your comment sounds like you didn’t read through.

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by newzisforsukas »

dang wrote: post #214

Can anyone find the OP on epa.gov? That would be preferable to a dropbox.com link. We merged half a dozen of these threads. Related URLs follow. If there are others, let me know here and I can add them. https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1805006150410162322 and https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1805006150410162322.html https://mastodon.social/@ashleygjovik/112668309100333232/ https://www.ashleygjovik.com/3250sc…

Here is the facility:

https://echo.epa.gov/detailed-facility-report?fid=1100011682...

Maybe the document is from a FOIA request or something similar (and therefore not public)?

> The US EPA notified her they finalized the report but are currently unable to share it with her as Apple apparently declared the report of their (assumed) numerous environmental violations is Apple Confidential. Gjovik has a pending FOIA request as well.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by [deleted] »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #92

Such credulous people in this thread. I'll keep an open mind, but it seems strange that this lady was an Apple employee and happened to also be the victim. Have other people been identified that suffered similarly to her? Where are their lawsuits? Or is there something special about her health condition, or her specific apartment unit, or something which means only she was susceptible to this?

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by [deleted] »

lurking_swe wrote: post #97
murderfs wrote: post #55

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

I'm still looking into this and forming my opinion. It's very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN'T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no? see: https://youtu.be/pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&t=2680

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by ru552 »

threeseed wrote: post #143

I wish she would just state the facts as it makes it hard to read. For example, she says that EPA typically arrives unannounced but because the Apple EH&S team were present this is indicative of some conspiracy to allow Apple time to cover-up issues. But this is just her opinion with a more logical explanation being that Apple Security simply contacted the EH&S team when the EPA arrived at the front door.

She's not a reporter. She was fired from Apple for breaking an NDA. This isn't the first time she's made sensational claims against Apple.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by azinman2 »

buro9 wrote: post #98
murderfs wrote: post #55

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

> and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made And I would very strongly doubt the word of a People Team member as the conclusive evidence of any lying. People Team are there to reduce the liability for the company, the company in this case are the very company in question for alleged environmental issues. What actually happens vs what a trained People Team member knows to document are seldom the same thing, a…

I've seen non-redacted versions of what she's shared on Twitter versus her redacted versions which tell a completely different story, and she puts her own spin on it that is detached from reality. I've seen her lie directly on at least one occasion (and play the victim card about it), and when combined with everything else makes me trust her 0%.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by dekhn »

lurking_swe wrote: post #97
murderfs wrote: post #55

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

I'm still looking into this and forming my opinion. It's very curious how at the end of her YouTube video she mentions other residents in her building came forward and said they too were sick (numerous ER visits over 2 years), and they DIDN'T KNOW WHY, until they saw her expose in the newspaper. That seems to counter your hypochondria theory, no? see: https://youtu.be/pGK4_sR1CvY?si=KEK9xh0mUEStV76-&t=2680

There are many situations where people assign causality when there is no true evidence or mechanism. One of the best examples are cancer clusters. There have been examples of well-understood (almost certainly causal) cancers caused by industrial occupation, but cancer is common enough that some things that look causal are purely coincidental. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls was almost certainly causal, while "high voltage electrical lines cause cancer" probably is not (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/health/long-after-an-80s-...)

So no, it doesn't counter the hypochondria theory.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by amelius »

osnium123 wrote: post #169
disillusioned wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't a bigger factor here, in addition to their careless attitude, the fact that they've started manufacturing semiconductors on land specifically only zoned for light industrial use, when, at least per her article, fabricating semiconductors is work that is required to be zoned heavy industrial? The issue being, of course, the proximity of residential to a "light industrial" vs. "heavy industrial" plot sure changes…

That part of Sunnyvale and Santa Clara used to have many silicon fabs in the 1980s and 1990s before they all shut down.

People did many things in the past that are now not OK.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

disillusioned wrote: post #123
fxtentacle wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think not because all the concentrations were pretty low. The problem that Ashley faced was that she was exposed 24/7. But to me it looks like almost all of the gas concentrations would have been considered an A-OK working environment for up to 8 hours of exposure. And while it's not wrong that fluorine is a lethal gas, it is heavily used in many industries and in medicine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine#In…

Isn't a bigger factor here, in addition to their careless attitude, the fact that they've started manufacturing semiconductors on land specifically only zoned for light industrial use, when, at least per her article, fabricating semiconductors is work that is required to be zoned heavy industrial? The issue being, of course, the proximity of residential to a "light industrial" vs. "heavy industrial" plot sure changes…

> they've started manufacturing semiconductors on land specifically only zoned for light industrial use

This looks strange indeed, I thought light industry is like bicycle repair and large bakeries, definitely wouldn’t expect a chemical plant

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by diebeforei485 »

PROgrammerTHREE wrote: post #178
cjk2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in line of when I worked in a semiconductor lab in suburban UK in the 90s. We had a couple of local residents report problems immediately even though we hadn't even started fabrication at that point. They eventually sent out a press release saying that we had moved manufacturing to Scotland. The complaints stopped instantly. The lab was running until at least 2017 with no complaints and regular inspections fr…

EPA isn't the only governing body. It says right in their report the facility is being properly managed by the city of Santa Clara and the state of California. Also, they weren't doing chip fab there. It was R&D for Titan and MicroLED. There's a reason she's litigating her case against Apple pro se and without any expert witnesses and other lawyers. She's a basket case who went from almost fainting one time to now sa…

> I was on the bottom floor and 0000000000 VOCs.

If the source of the chemicals was actually the emissions from the other facility and not the soil below the building, you would expect none in the lower floors where you were and more on the higher floors where this person was.

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