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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by Aurornis »

moralestapia wrote: post #162
Aurornis wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for taking the time to read the actual reports. The Mastodon thread is editorialized and manipulated to an extreme and it’s clear that the author is pushing an agenda. I wish we had some better news coverage and analysis, rather than a social media post to link to. This author wastes no time mixing her imagined claims with the EPA report, such as insinuating that Apple was doing worse things but hid them befor…

The agenda of making companies operate in a safe and sane way? Sign me up!

The agenda of injecting completely unsubstantiated claims into the story and trying to pass them off as fact, such as the claim that Apple hid many more violations before the inspectors could get to them.

No basis in fact, just pure ragebait conjecture.

Her agenda is about getting clicks and followers first. She’s not making companies operate safer, she’s just editorializing a public report from the agency that actually works on making companies operate safely. All of her editorializing and fake claims is undermining the actual situation by making the facts unclear and making people trust reporting on the subject less.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by linuxftw »

millzlane wrote: post #154
linuxftw wrote: post #153

This is just one small facility in the US. Imagine the damage being done world wide where there are fewer regulations and and even fewer inspectors. We're outsourcing our pollution. Is this the same person that wrote about how their apartment complex was constructed on an un-mitigated FEMA site? I think she should move to a more rural location, many cities have this kind of contamination.

Moving away won't fix the problem. As someone who lives in a large city, The response to companies destroying our environment shouldn't be move away. I'm not even a "tree hugger" and this pisses me off. We only have us to rely on. Fixing and preventing this issue doesn't seem like a hard decision to make.

I meant for her personal well being. Some people are much more sensitive to chemical exposure than others.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by Aurornis »

cyanydeez wrote: post #141
Infinity315 wrote: post #136

There is a disappointing amount of character slander rather than refutation of the author's claims happening on this thread. The foremost trustworthy party is the EPA. Note, I am not a lawyer or anyone who could professionally give an opinion on this.* The most egregious violation the author purports Apple did is the illegal venting of hazardous chemicals. IMHO, the most plausible evidence supporting the author's cla…

the coincidence between the author and the "atleast" date simply means there's not enough evidence before that date. Dealing with EPA and other pollution control agencies will tell you very much they dont want to get into these situations because it makes them look bad. It likely was happening way before this and the EPA could likely pinpoint the exact date based on simple log entries, but they won't stick their neck…

What do you mean they don’t want to? Their job is to report the facts in a legally consistent manner, not imagine what might have happened.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by adolph »

camillomiller wrote: post #159
nwsm wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I am actually very critical of Apple in what I write, being European and all. Your comment is offensive and a personal attack. What I was referring to is that the woman reporting the case to the EPA and making unproven allegation about Apple conspiring to cover up their mistakes is someone who has legal history with the company. @dang, I am constantly reprimanded about expressing strong opinions here, but that's alri…

Could you walk folks through about how you find noting potential conflicts of interest as "offensive and personal?" I don't quite follow as I'm from the goose-gander school of things that are good for.

Disclosure: I have used a variety of Apple products since the mid-1990s. Also, I have participated in an environmental coverup: "Private! Put sand over that JP8 you spilt! You are holding up the whole lager! Yes sergeant!"

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by PROgrammerTHREE »

Infinity315 wrote: post #136

There is a disappointing amount of character slander rather than refutation of the author's claims happening on this thread. The foremost trustworthy party is the EPA. Note, I am not a lawyer or anyone who could professionally give an opinion on this.* The most egregious violation the author purports Apple did is the illegal venting of hazardous chemicals. IMHO, the most plausible evidence supporting the author's cla…

The problem is that the EPA report doesn't say what she says it does.

1. Apple doesn't do chip fab at Scott Blvd. They did R&D for Titan and microLED screens and were part of the layoffs in April.

2. The EPA says that they didn't have permits WITH THE EPA, but were permitted with California and Santa Clara County/City.

3. She says the carbon filters weren't changed, not the EPA.

4. She says Apple said materials weren't hazardous waste, but the report says they were labeled "California Waste", meaning they weren't properly reporting the materials to the EPA, but were to the state of California.

5. How is it this woman was nearly killed, while the employees who WORK in the building are perfectly healthy, the next door businesses have no sick employees, and the other thousands of residents in the apartment building are also not sick?

6. Why isn't the news covering this? Why aren't they shut down?

None of this makes any sense and looking at her lawsuit, she seems like she needs to serious mental help.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by water-data-dude »

threeseed wrote: post #143

I wish she would just state the facts as it makes it hard to read. For example, she says that EPA typically arrives unannounced but because the Apple EH&S team were present this is indicative of some conspiracy to allow Apple time to cover-up issues. But this is just her opinion with a more logical explanation being that Apple Security simply contacted the EH&S team when the EPA arrived at the front door.

Reading the screenshots, it sounds like they showed up with the fire dept., which was going to do some sort of unrelated inspection. Apple wasn’t informed that they were going to be there, the author even highlights “EPA’s participation in the inspection was unannounced”. I’d assume the EH&S team was there for the (expected) fire department inspection

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by PROgrammerTHREE »

cjk2 wrote: post #72
murderfs wrote: post #55

The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

This is in line of when I worked in a semiconductor lab in suburban UK in the 90s. We had a couple of local residents report problems immediately even though we hadn't even started fabrication at that point. They eventually sent out a press release saying that we had moved manufacturing to Scotland. The complaints stopped instantly. The lab was running until at least 2017 with no complaints and regular inspections fr…

EPA isn't the only governing body. It says right in their report the facility is being properly managed by the city of Santa Clara and the state of California.

Also, they weren't doing chip fab there. It was R&D for Titan and MicroLED. There's a reason she's litigating her case against Apple pro se and without any expert witnesses and other lawyers. She's a basket case who went from almost fainting one time to now saying she almost died. She scared a lot of people at work who live in the same apartment building with this: https://sfbayview.com/2021/03/i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apart... We all bought equipment thinking we were being poisoned. TL;DR, we weren't. I was on the bottom floor and 0000000000 VOCs.

https://www.siliconvalley.com/2018/03/19/apple-secretly-deve... https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/apple-tech-layoffs-...

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by infecto »

cool_dude85 wrote: post #150
camillomiller wrote: post #149

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This is an EPA report, presumably they do not base their findings upon any beef a whistleblower may have. And, not knowing more about the story as you seem to, she claims her beef is based on the fact that she got sick from gases Apple was venting from this same facility. At least from what I saw on Twitter, this EPA report, in some sense, is the beef.

While there is an underlying EPA report. The site hosting it is heavily editorialized. Its hard to read it and take it as anything close to facts. I am super skeptical of companies and recognize the whole Bay Area is one giant super fund site but this person comes off as someone a bit manic. Just looking at the first all caps message.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Post by pxeger1 »

Aurornis wrote: post #171
moralestapia wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The agenda of making companies operate in a safe and sane way? Sign me up!

The agenda of injecting completely unsubstantiated claims into the story and trying to pass them off as fact, such as the claim that Apple hid many more violations before the inspectors could get to them. No basis in fact, just pure ragebait conjecture. Her agenda is about getting clicks and followers first. She’s not making companies operate safer, she’s just editorializing a public report from the agency that actua…

I think her agenda might be more about winning her expensive lawsuit
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