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Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by Jaecen »

jfim wrote: post #46
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting hotels that feel like an AirBnB don't really exist. Even though the professional AirBnB hosts are doing all the functions that hotels do. Why not the reverse.

What do you mean by a hotel that feels like an Airbnb? If you want to stay at a place that has a kitchen, and multiple bedrooms, there are suite hotels (eg. Homewood suites) and extended stay hotels. If you want someone to host you, then a bed and breakfast is another type of accommodation.

It's difficult to quantify. Perhaps it's something as intangible as a space optimized for _living_ (like an apartment) as opposed to a space optimized for _profit_ (like a hotel).

Whatever the case, despite the existence of the options you list, Airbnb's are still popular. There's clearly some significant differentiator between them and an Airbnb.

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Post by jupp0r »

isaacremuant wrote: post #61
SeanAnderson wrote: post #25

Barcelona has a population of ~1.7 million. The metro area surrounding is ~5.7 million. The metro area grew by ~100k in the past four years. They are freeing up ~10,000 houses over the next four years with this legislation. Barcelona built ~15,000 new properties between 2011 and 2020. The math don't math. It's a drop in the bucket. The entire impact of AirBnB + all housing built in the last decade does not offset the…

It's demagogy and it works.

The term is populism.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by kachapopopow »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #25

Barcelona has a population of ~1.7 million. The metro area surrounding is ~5.7 million. The metro area grew by ~100k in the past four years. They are freeing up ~10,000 houses over the next four years with this legislation. Barcelona built ~15,000 new properties between 2011 and 2020. The math don't math. It's a drop in the bucket. The entire impact of AirBnB + all housing built in the last decade does not offset the…

The issue is that the "airbnb" areas drive normal citizens out which during off-seasons drains foot traffic making local shops go out of business which further complicates the problem.

Not to mention that most tourists don't even sit around the local area, but rather go to the city attractions.

Airbnb and resident housing areas are just not compatible, they have different needs and require different infrastructure. Hotels are built around infrastructure supporting tourism and are much healthier for cities.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by pelorat »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #25

Barcelona has a population of ~1.7 million. The metro area surrounding is ~5.7 million. The metro area grew by ~100k in the past four years. They are freeing up ~10,000 houses over the next four years with this legislation. Barcelona built ~15,000 new properties between 2011 and 2020. The math don't math. It's a drop in the bucket. The entire impact of AirBnB + all housing built in the last decade does not offset the…

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Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by coryrc »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #47
doctorpangloss wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone wants lower housing prices, except for the house they currently own.

People who own a home, and don't have plans to move, would benefit from housing prices falling everywhere : property taxes go down, and other prices correlated with housing go down. Two categories where people don't want pricing to go down: If you have plans to move and prices aren't falling everywhere , the proceeds of a sale aren't enough to buy elsewhere. And if your bank owns the home rather than you, falling pri…

That's not how property taxes work.

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Post by ghaff »

isaacremuant wrote: post #56
ghaff wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for me, I value predictability and the availability of staff if I need them. I've certainly stayed at many B&Bs that didn't have a 24-hour desk but, by and large, I'm looking to stay at places where I can count on things going smoothly.

Great. Pick hotels. Why do you need to ban airbnbs? As a user of both the presence of airbnbs gives people a choice and sometimes one is clearly better than the other. Problem is those who don't use certain services love banning them and pretend they're fixing some unrelated problem.

I don't think I wrote anything about banning AirBnBs one way or the other. By and large, my feeling is communities/municipalities/etc. should have pretty wide latitude about regulations they enact. And if voters en masse don't like it they'll presumably elect someone to do what they want--though of course that takes time.

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

mattrighetti wrote: post #48
deutschepost wrote: post #3

Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.

> Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. What if we let people decide what they should/n't do with their own property instead?

Because we're adults that realize garbage dumps shouldn't be next to schools. And sometimes as society we make decisions that are good for the majority of people. I'm sure you'd love it if someone poisoned your ground water, but they did it by burying toxic materials on their property.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by Izikiel43 »

jmyeet wrote: post #55

I honestly think we need: 1. To outlaw AirBnB. Except if people are staying in your house while you're there . Other than that, it should be illegal; 2. 80% Capital Gains Tax on property sales other than your primary residence, withheld at source. 3. Withold 40% of rent income at source, which can only be credited against taxable income in the state and country; and 4. Tax non-primary residences at 2% of their market…

So, basically, make landownership practically illegal except for primary housing?

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by rokhayakebe »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #31
deutschepost wrote: post #3

Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.

It's interesting hotels that feel like an AirBnB don't really exist. Even though the professional AirBnB hosts are doing all the functions that hotels do. Why not the reverse.

I recently stayed in aparthotels in Milan and Casabalanca. It was fantastic.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by elnatro »

All politicians have been saying that a decade at least.

In Spain, home owners associations can forbid tourist apartments if they vote it. Why can’t they just do it?

Spain is suffering a multi-centralization process. Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Malaga are increasing their populations. The rest of the cities are losing inhabitants. Why? Because the job opportunities are not there.

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