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Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Alternatively, the population practicing birth control could solve the crisis. Don't have kids if you don't own at least one home :)

Who do you think is going to do the work every facet of your life requires?

Go to Kuwait, everyone, even commoners host their maids and cooks in their main residences. Maybe we'll see a mainstream return to these arrangements in the States.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.

Hotels suck. I want a hotel with no staff. Thats airbnb

And for me, I value predictability and the availability of staff if I need them. I've certainly stayed at many B&Bs that didn't have a 24-hour desk but, by and large, I'm looking to stay at places where I can count on things going smoothly.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Hotels suck. I want a hotel with no staff. Thats airbnb

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Is renting from the landlord precisely what the problem is? Middleman or not, it is an apartment that a normal local person can't use.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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People will do literally anything over building enough housing to make everyone happy

building more devalues their assets. we are creating artificial scarcity of a basic human need because we turned it into a financial investment vehicle.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

> rent in NYC hasn’t gone down NYC hotel and housing prices have been artificially inflated by government buying accommodations for homeless during 2020/2021, then migrants.

So prices have been inflated by people living in them?

Is that artificial?

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.

It's interesting hotels that feel like an AirBnB don't really exist. Even though the professional AirBnB hosts are doing all the functions that hotels do. Why not the reverse.

What do you mean by a hotel that feels like an Airbnb?

If you want to stay at a place that has a kitchen, and multiple bedrooms, there are suite hotels (eg. Homewood suites) and extended stay hotels. If you want someone to host you, then a bed and breakfast is another type of accommodation.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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I'm far from an expert but I'd think it would drive tourism prices up due to less supply of STR housing (which could harm a local economy, although a behemoth like Barcelona probably isn't super concerned here) Prices may not go down on rents, but if it means that more folks who actually _want to live in the city_ can, I see that as a positive. I can see in NY the case where decrease in housing leads to folks being p…

Everyone wants lower housing prices, except for the house they currently own.

People who own a home, and don't have plans to move, would benefit from housing prices falling everywhere: property taxes go down, and other prices correlated with housing go down.

Two categories where people don't want pricing to go down:

If you have plans to move and prices aren't falling everywhere, the proceeds of a sale aren't enough to buy elsewhere.

And if your bank owns the home rather than you, falling prices screw you over because you owe far more to the bank than you could make by selling.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Good. Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats. Platforms like AirBnB only put oil in the fire when it comes to housing crises.

> Tourists should sleep in hotels and locals should sleep in their flats.

What if we let people decide what they should/n't do with their own property instead?

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

Where in Barcelona would you increase density? https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/barcelona-pop... from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40752920 ("Barcelona has a 16,000 people per square km density - that’s already one of the highest in Europe.") Capital moves faster than meat space. To defend the human (affordable housing), you have to regulate. The whole "just build more, I want my AirBnB" argumen…

That being said, in the US you can and should absolutely should build more, and basically get rid of most zoning regulations. You'd have a hard time finding anything as touristic and dense as Barcelona in the US.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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> rent in NYC hasn’t gone down NYC hotel and housing prices have been artificially inflated by government buying accommodations for homeless during 2020/2021, then migrants.

So prices have been inflated by people living in them? Is that artificial?

It is when the government, not the tenants, pay the rent
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