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Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by cheeze »

lucasfcosta wrote: post #5

Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

I'm far from an expert but I'd think it would drive tourism prices up due to less supply of STR housing (which could harm a local economy, although a behemoth like Barcelona probably isn't super concerned here)

Prices may not go down on rents, but if it means that more folks who actually _want to live in the city_ can, I see that as a positive. I can see in NY the case where decrease in housing leads to folks being priced out and moving elsewhere (NJ, etc.)

Obviously not speaking with any data here.

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Post by darknavi »

Well I certainly how it works well for them. It's a terrible feeling to feel like you're getting priced out of your own home.

We stayed in a few different week-long AirBnBs (or some other rental service) in 2019 in Barcelona and loved it. Although, and this could be a big source of the problem, both people we met up with to get keys were not Spanish and specifically asked if we could speak French or German instead.

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Post by grecy »

This will be an excellent case study that the rest of the world can watch and learn from. Does it have the desired impact? Are there unintended consequences?

We can all speculate till the sun goes down about what we think is going to happen, now we're going to get real data. This is great.

Even if the outcomes are "bad", they can just undo this is ~5 years. At least we will have all learned from it.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lucasfcosta wrote: post #5

Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

Where in Barcelona would you increase density?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/barcelona-pop...

from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40752920 ("Barcelona has a 16,000 people per square km density - that’s already one of the highest in Europe.")

Capital moves faster than meat space. To defend the human (affordable housing), you have to regulate. The whole "just build more, I want my AirBnB" argument boggles the mind considering the physical system constraints in play. Easier to just ban AirBnB.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by doctorpangloss »

cheeze wrote: post #11
lucasfcosta wrote: post #5

Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

I'm far from an expert but I'd think it would drive tourism prices up due to less supply of STR housing (which could harm a local economy, although a behemoth like Barcelona probably isn't super concerned here) Prices may not go down on rents, but if it means that more folks who actually _want to live in the city_ can, I see that as a positive. I can see in NY the case where decrease in housing leads to folks being p…

Everyone wants lower housing prices, except for the house they currently own.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by walterbell »

lucasfcosta wrote: post #5

Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

> rent in NYC hasn’t gone down

NYC hotel and housing prices have been artificially inflated by government buying accommodations for homeless during 2020/2021, then migrants.

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