French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

Post by immibis » Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 7:19 AM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #22

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #15

Is there some decentralized anti-censorship technology that can prevent this type of action, where ISPs and DNS providers and other points of centralization are forced to implement things on behalf of other parties (like Canal+ or a government)?

No. No matter how decentralized something is, ultimately you need to have a server and cables connecting it to the internet located somewhere. That somewhere will be within some legal entity or sovereign's jurisdiction which you must answer to and comply with.

Post by immibis » Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 7:22 AM UTC

dgoldstein0 wrote: post #103

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #38

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> For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO. That does rather imply that the laws are worthless. Obviously there is going to be someone who doesn't do business in France and operates a public DNS server that doesn't censor anything. Regardless of that, I would challenge your premise. You can violate an unjust law and risk the consequences. And if you get the PR right, there may not even be…

> Obviously there is going to be someone who doesn't do business in France and operates a public DNS server that doesn't censor anything. and so when the rights holders notice enough people pirating using dns resolvers they can't force to do anything via the french courts, they'll probably just take it up with the french ISPs and ask for IP blocks of these resolvers. And I'd guess they may already be trying to IP blo…

Post by thenthenthen » Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 7:25 AM UTC

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #119

thenthenthen wrote: post #80

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Google never left China, they literally just moved to a new building on the other side of the road (in Zhongguancun, Beijing). They even “left a couple of boxes there”[1]. [1] Blum, Andrew, Tubes: A Journey to the Center of the Internet. New York, Ecco, 2012. https://archive.org/details/unset0000unse_p9b6

You can't even install the play store in China... Google hasn't been accessible there since in 15 years. You can buy an iPhone there today, and Apple has agreements with China to hand over user data and has done so in the past.

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 7:34 AM UTC

zelphirkalt wrote: post #126

sitkack wrote: post #98

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Google employees had the courage to force Google to pretend to withdraw.

But rarely do they have the courage to quit their jobs or go on strike, when Google does the next anti privacy thing.

Post by fastball » Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 7:59 AM UTC

zzo38computer wrote: post #40

jsnell wrote: post #37

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They did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.

There is other alternative, such as: get rid of their DNS service entirely, or make a petition for changing these laws.