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French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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> rightsholders can demand “all proportionate measures likely to prevent or put an end to this infringement, against any person likely to contribute to remedying it.”

Rightsholder: "Let's see, life insurance payouts are €1M and we are losing at least €50M to these sites, so..."

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last decade Tech has become part of the establishment. They are one of the dominant controlling forces. The blackout was _not_ about preserving free speech, or any other moral high road. It was purely about control. Tech hadn’t yet cemented their position as a dominant player and didn’t want to cede the control they had. Now that they’ve embedded themselves in the ruling class they don’t care as much because t…

There's also the nuance that while SOPA/PIPA were bills being legislated for potential passage, France is citing laws already in effect. For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO.

Yeah! Like Uber, or AirBnB! wait, hold on.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Over a decade ago, a ton of tech companies (including Google) coordinated a “blackout the Internet” day of protest against U.S. legislation that would have required them to alter DNS to fight piracy. Interesting that now that France actually does it, they say they will comply. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PI...

Same with tech and China. They fold like paper without any protest: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it. And the digital keys that unlock information on those computers are stored in the data centers they’re meant to secure.

Apple have repeatedly thrown their customers under the bus especially in China. At least Google had the courage to withdraw entirely.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”. Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?

Fixed now, although leaving out the court order is also misleading.

If anyone wants to suggest an accurate, neutral title that gets it all under the 80 char limit, we can change it again.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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A great example of why you should be running your own validating recursor instead of relying on a third party

Can you elaborate on the validating part?

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/dnssec-what-is-it-why-...

And how to enable it on `unbound` https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-local-dns-with-unbo...

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see nothing in this article suggesting that the court order is for a global block, rather than a regional one. Do you have a source for that?

Does Cloudflare operate different 1.1.1.1s for each country?

It's not required that they do so in order to implement a France only block. They just geolocate the requesting IP, and give different answers based on that. Same as Netflix or any other provider geo blocking there content, with the same workarounds.

But also, in answer to your question, sort of, yes. 1.1.1.1 is any cast so that users will be routed to a server geographically near them. So then 1.1.1.1 a user gets in the US is quite literally a different one than a user in France will get.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with tech and China. They fold like paper without any protest: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it. And the digital keys that unlock information on those computers are stored in the data centers they’re meant to secure.

Apple have repeatedly thrown their customers under the bus especially in China. At least Google had the courage to withdraw entirely.

Google never left China, they literally just moved to a new building on the other side of the road (in Zhongguancun, Beijing). They even “left a couple of boxes there”[1].

[1] Blum, Andrew, Tubes: A Journey to the Center of the Internet. New York, Ecco, 2012. https://archive.org/details/unset0000unse_p9b6

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