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its not.
maybe you can explain?)
Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world
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#92Germany is weird. They talk a lot about green, but sabotage and protest against Tesla factory, because 'reasons'. While being perfectly ok with Coal strip mining. The mine is on the site of the ancient Hambach Forest, which was purchased by RWE in 1978. The company then cut most of the forest down and cleared it to mine. Only 10% of the forest area remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://w…
Well, 1978 was a long time ago and environmental concerns weren't a big thing back then. RWE had all rights to do what they did, even the Green party acknowledged that when the Hambach Forest situation escalated.
About the Tesla factory thing, those protests are mostly done by a handful of environmental activists and - most importantly - NIMBYs from the surrounding area.
Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world
#93Germany is weird. They talk a lot about green, but sabotage and protest against Tesla factory, because 'reasons'. While being perfectly ok with Coal strip mining. The mine is on the site of the ancient Hambach Forest, which was purchased by RWE in 1978. The company then cut most of the forest down and cleared it to mine. Only 10% of the forest area remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://w…
Perfectly ok? The protests against cutting down the Hambach forest were among the fiercest environmental protests in German history, activists camped out in the forest for years and it took hundreds of policemen to resolve that situation, one person died in an accident and the media covered this for many months. And to be frank electric cars don’t solve the climate crisis, right now they’re little more than expensive…
> And to be frank electric cars don’t solve the climate crisis
If governments were serious about climate change they would invest heavier in public transport, not greener cars (which are only greener to drive, but definitely not manufacture).
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It's great to shift on renewable energy, but the end goal is to reduce greenhouse gazes, and mostly Co2. Regarding this, they are still doing really bad [1], compared to countries like France who kept nuclear plants. I think that shutting down their nuclear plants and shifting on coal is a weird move. In the end, they couldn't prove that shifting to renewables was efficient. They also still buy some nuclear power to…
The goal is to use the technology which brings us world-wide fastest and cheapest forward. That's not nuclear, which stagnates mostly in building&deployment and is getting more expensive quickly.
one thing is to build, another thing is to keep what you have. The beauty of nuclear is the longer it works, the cheaper the avg energy gets since most of the cost is actually building the infra
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Electricity generation is still 25% coal. Germany's emissions per capita are very high compared to, say, France, because their electricity production is still actually very dirty. France's electricity production has been very low-emissions for decades because of nuclear and hydro. There's a lot of spin about renewables in Germany but overall this is a failed energy policy. (Edited)
23% coal, 28.2% less than last year. Renewable energy is hugely increasing world wide.
and manufacturing industry much less too sadly(
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It would be even less and even faster decline of coal with nuclear But for Germany the priorities were other than decarbonization.
But then we would have to deal with expensive and problematic nuclear. It's much more efficient to scale renewable energy, then deploy old technology like current nuclear powerplants, which are extremely costly with lots of unsolved problems. If you look at the countries which deploy nuclear, they have/use mostly government run industries. That's not our goal. Germany also has no nuclear weapons, where other countrie…
The cost of nuclear energy is reflected in the electricity bill, not the initial investment. If you look at countries like France or Finland, the cost is very low. And in Finland, it's not "old technology."
In contrast, German bills, heavily reliant on renewables, are among the highest and most unstable in Europe.
> "unsolved problems"
Do you mean the intermittency of renewables?
> they have/use mostly government run industries.
I don't think in French nuclear is mostly used for gov industries. So I dont understand this point.
It's amusing how your arguments against nuclear are purely ideological and filled with intellectual dishonesty.
I don't understand your connection between nuclear weapons and nuclear energy.
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It would be even less and even faster decline of coal with nuclear But for Germany the priorities were other than decarbonization.
But then we would have to deal with expensive and problematic nuclear. It's much more efficient to scale renewable energy, then deploy old technology like current nuclear powerplants, which are extremely costly with lots of unsolved problems. If you look at the countries which deploy nuclear, they have/use mostly government run industries. That's not our goal. Germany also has no nuclear weapons, where other countrie…
nuclear doesn't have unsolved problems. It's only problem is the cost. We already know how to operate the plants, how to safely store the waste or reprocess it to reuse multiple times, how to solidify the waste - all of this is already known, the question is if govt's want to spend the money now for this infra to get the prices down in the future and reduce the build times like China did
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#100This is not the news that informs. I can't tell from the article if they count Tesla's Berlin factory as "German assembly line". If not, the article should say that. If yes, to say that "Germany’s automakers manufactured" 1 million EVs is misleading given that around 25% of that was Tesla's Model Y. Tesla has a factory in Germany but it's a stretch to call it a German automaker, just like Toyota has factories in Mexi…
Ford also has a Germany factory. Probably most big auto manufacturers do. Foreign cars are big in Germany (I think I read 40%), as they are in basically every country.
Of course other factories should still count, why wouldn't they? You're only thinking of Tesla because its always in the news, but there are plenty of other 100% legit foreign auto manufacturers in Germany.