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Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by hef19898 »

infecto wrote: post #42
polycaster wrote: post #32

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I'm not sure where this fax myth originates. I've been living in Germany for most of my life, and I'm no longer in my thirties. During this time, I have sent a total of zero faxes. I can't even remember anyone ever asking me to send one.

I don't live in Germany and this is all based on accounts I have seen posted in HN. Everytime there is a post that journals the process to setup a startup in Germany or do other business functions, it always included something that needed to be faxed.

FAX is still a leaglly accepted way to send official papers, e.g. to courts. As is paper mail. True.

One can so easily set-up a company without it so. 90% of what you read about companies and how to run and set them up im Germany on HN is wrong.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by mtmail »

jc6 wrote: post #44
leononame wrote: post #2

It's not too surprising. Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech, but they are a car manufacturing powerhouse and are the biggest country in Europe. The whole country is in an everlasting debate about its dependency on car manufacturing, and cars are _very_ important. It would be surprising if they weren't no 1 producer (and probably consumer) in Europe.

But the good Greeks did us a great service by shpwing us they couldnt afford those cars without taking loans from German banks. And by not being able to repay those loans, proved what a fucking house of cards the whole story about being a 'power house' is.

I guess that's a reference to the Greek government-debt crisis of 2007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis#G... "Critics have also accused the German government of hypocrisy; of pursuing its own national interests via an unwillingness to adjust fiscal policy in a way that would help resolve the eurozone crisis; of using the ECB to serve their country's national interests; and have criticised the nature of the austerity and debt-relief programme Greece has followed as part of the conditions attached to its bailouts."

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by hef19898 »

somedude895 wrote: post #29
lispm wrote: post #14

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> Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech Like renewable energy? 1st quarter 2024: 58,4% electricity from renewable energy. Up from 48.5% last year.

This is what happens when you shut down nuclear (which is carbon-neutral by the way), and start importing more. Total energy usage in Germany is down which is terrible news for your economy. The narrative that German energy policy under the current government has been anything but a failure is ridiculous, but some people just love to believe any garbage that comes out of Habeck's mouth.

You'd be surprised who stopped Nordstream 2. And who pushed it for almost a decade.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by PurpleRamen »

probably_wrong wrote: post #31
leononame wrote: post #2

It's not too surprising. Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech, but they are a car manufacturing powerhouse and are the biggest country in Europe. The whole country is in an everlasting debate about its dependency on car manufacturing, and cars are _very_ important. It would be surprising if they weren't no 1 producer (and probably consumer) in Europe.

It is surprising to me, though, seeing as Germany was the country responsible for undercutting the ban [1] on sales of new combustion engine cars in the EU after 2035. It is wild to me that they would block such an important deal knowing that they are already ahead of everyone else. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/24/cars/eu-combustion-engine...

There is an ongoing war between the progressive and old forces. And the old forces try very hard to preserve the outdated technologies for whatever reason. Problem is that they are few, but in powerful positions, so they poison the waters for everyone, as they did already for the last decade with the whole energy-topic. At this point, it's really ridiculous how much one can stay behind and still harm everyone.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by art3m »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #39
kjksf wrote: post #37

This is not the news that informs. I can't tell from the article if they count Tesla's Berlin factory as "German assembly line". If not, the article should say that. If yes, to say that "Germany’s automakers manufactured" 1 million EVs is misleading given that around 25% of that was Tesla's Model Y. Tesla has a factory in Germany but it's a stretch to call it a German automaker, just like Toyota has factories in Mexi…

The people are the automakers, not the brand behind it.

Assembly line doesn't make you 'automaker'.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by madspindel »

lispm wrote: post #33
madspindel wrote: post #30

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And they are sabotaging the power production in Sweden too: "Germany begs for electricity from Sweden – while simultaneously blocking nuclear power" https://www.tn.se/naringsliv/37243/tyskland-tigger-el-fran-s...

I would prefer to move to cheaper new tech.

Well, stop importing from Sweden then. And let us deal with our own preferred solutions.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by oytis »

polycaster wrote: post #32
leononame wrote: post #19

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Sure, renewable _electricity_ is up. But up alone is not enough. When talking energy, you should use gross energy, including e.g. transport. Take this chart [0] from wikipedia [1]. Doesn't look too amazing. Now, being a gross exporter, the numbers are obviously skewed, but I didn't really mean EVs or electrical production specifically. German bureaucracy famously still runs on fax and emails are printed, there are lo…

I'm not sure where this fax myth originates. I've been living in Germany for most of my life, and I'm no longer in my thirties. During this time, I have sent a total of zero faxes. I can't even remember anyone ever asking me to send one.

I live in Germany, and while I never used fax as well, I did use paper mail a lot, and I don't know how I would live without a printer and a scanner. It gets better, e.g. taxes have been completely digitized in the recent years, but still a lot of paper there.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by PurpleRamen »

vixen99 wrote: post #49
oblio wrote: post #26

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Germany FUBARed this like you wouldn't believe, those responsible will probably be branded traitors decades after the fact, primarily Schroeder (now a Gazprom shill) but probably also Merkel for not doing anything to change the status quo. Up until 2011 or so Germany was a leader in solar and wind power equipment production. Then they cut off subsidies and it took AN ENTIRE DECADE to get back where they were, in term…

> Then they cut off subsidies And now they're back: https://www.cardino.de/en/blog-posts/subsidy-for-electric-ca... 'In Germany, the government has introduced various incentives to accelerate this shift. Among these are substantial subsidies for electric cars, which have been updated for 2023 and will be updated again for 2024. This article provides a detailed overview of these subsidies, their application process, a…

This is outdated. Subsidies were cut in December 2023 on a very short notice. The reason were unexpected budget-problems of missing 60(?) billion Euro, which forced the administration to cut several things very fast.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by aaomidi »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #36
probably_wrong wrote: post #31

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It is surprising to me, though, seeing as Germany was the country responsible for undercutting the ban [1] on sales of new combustion engine cars in the EU after 2035. It is wild to me that they would block such an important deal knowing that they are already ahead of everyone else. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/24/cars/eu-combustion-engine...

It's not really surprising. EVs (both foreign and domestic) haven't caught up in price and range as fast as expected since the proposal was originally made, for EVs to be a drop-in replacement for ICE cars the voting population can afford and drives to work everyday and on vacation in the south of Europe every summer. And neither is the EV charging infrastructure already there to support the same use cases. And since…

Is range seriously a problem for someone in Europe? US I kinda get it, superchargers help but they’re not perfect, but in europe?
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