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Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by ant6n »

polycaster wrote: post #32
leononame wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, renewable _electricity_ is up. But up alone is not enough. When talking energy, you should use gross energy, including e.g. transport. Take this chart [0] from wikipedia [1]. Doesn't look too amazing. Now, being a gross exporter, the numbers are obviously skewed, but I didn't really mean EVs or electrical production specifically. German bureaucracy famously still runs on fax and emails are printed, there are lo…

I'm not sure where this fax myth originates. I've been living in Germany for most of my life, and I'm no longer in my thirties. During this time, I have sent a total of zero faxes. I can't even remember anyone ever asking me to send one.

Lawyers, administrations and corporations still send each other faxes because it is a way to provably deliver documents instantly. At scale it’s cheaper and quicker than a registered letter.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by infecto »

polycaster wrote: post #32
leononame wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, renewable _electricity_ is up. But up alone is not enough. When talking energy, you should use gross energy, including e.g. transport. Take this chart [0] from wikipedia [1]. Doesn't look too amazing. Now, being a gross exporter, the numbers are obviously skewed, but I didn't really mean EVs or electrical production specifically. German bureaucracy famously still runs on fax and emails are printed, there are lo…

I'm not sure where this fax myth originates. I've been living in Germany for most of my life, and I'm no longer in my thirties. During this time, I have sent a total of zero faxes. I can't even remember anyone ever asking me to send one.

I don't live in Germany and this is all based on accounts I have seen posted in HN. Everytime there is a post that journals the process to setup a startup in Germany or do other business functions, it always included something that needed to be faxed.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by infecto »

toenail wrote: post #17
leononame wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I'm from, when you say "biggest" country, it's by default population unless specified otherwise. Area really isn't an important metric here (unless your country is tiny), because the ability of economic and industrial output scales with population more than with area. The most logical comparison would be by GDP here, because we're comparing economy. But for population, which is what I think about when specifyin…

Thanks, fwiw, Russia is still #1 by population if you only count population in Europe.

When people speak about Europe, they are rarely including Russia and Turkey.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by jc6 »

leononame wrote: post #2

It's not too surprising. Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech, but they are a car manufacturing powerhouse and are the biggest country in Europe. The whole country is in an everlasting debate about its dependency on car manufacturing, and cars are _very_ important. It would be surprising if they weren't no 1 producer (and probably consumer) in Europe.

But the good Greeks did us a great service by shpwing us they couldnt afford those cars without taking loans from German banks. And by not being able to repay those loans, proved what a fucking house of cards the whole story about being a 'power house' is.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by k__ »

lispm wrote: post #28
leononame wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, renewable _electricity_ is up. But up alone is not enough. When talking energy, you should use gross energy, including e.g. transport. Take this chart [0] from wikipedia [1]. Doesn't look too amazing. Now, being a gross exporter, the numbers are obviously skewed, but I didn't really mean EVs or electrical production specifically. German bureaucracy famously still runs on fax and emails are printed, there are lo…

I live in Germany and I can't even remember where and when I have seen a fax. I was flying back from munich to hamburg last week, with a passenger jet, which is produced in my hometown, with internet in the plane - not a fax.

I often see faxes in the health industry.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by kgabis »

hawski wrote: post #15
toenail wrote: post #3

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> and are the biggest country in Europe Err, what? #6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...

It may be unintuitive to you, but "the biggest" in many cases means "most populous" and Germany is that - we don't count Russia (because it is not entirely in Europe) or Turkey (for a similar reason) really.

Population of European Russia is ~110 million people so a bit more than Germany.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by leononame »

polycaster wrote: post #32
leononame wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, renewable _electricity_ is up. But up alone is not enough. When talking energy, you should use gross energy, including e.g. transport. Take this chart [0] from wikipedia [1]. Doesn't look too amazing. Now, being a gross exporter, the numbers are obviously skewed, but I didn't really mean EVs or electrical production specifically. German bureaucracy famously still runs on fax and emails are printed, there are lo…

I'm not sure where this fax myth originates. I've been living in Germany for most of my life, and I'm no longer in my thirties. During this time, I have sent a total of zero faxes. I can't even remember anyone ever asking me to send one.

I've lived in Germany for 30 years and I've sent zero faxes as well. That doesn't mean the administration doesn't run on fax. The number of times I've been told by the tax agency or my healthcare provider to send a fax is astonishing.

When doing my taxes, I've asked if I could send some required documents of my deceased father via email, and the lady _didn't even know if she had an external facing email address_. I was just to send it to info@, tell them to print it and put it on her desk. She also didn't have a direct phone line, so I had to call the central office first and ask them to connect me to her.

My mom runs a small business there and luckily she's got fax-to-email and email-to-fax. Just because younger people use other means of communication now doesn't mean it's a myth. It's very much there, and other means very much aren't.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by vixen99 »

oblio wrote: post #26
lispm wrote: post #14

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> Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech Like renewable energy? 1st quarter 2024: 58,4% electricity from renewable energy. Up from 48.5% last year.

Germany FUBARed this like you wouldn't believe, those responsible will probably be branded traitors decades after the fact, primarily Schroeder (now a Gazprom shill) but probably also Merkel for not doing anything to change the status quo. Up until 2011 or so Germany was a leader in solar and wind power equipment production. Then they cut off subsidies and it took AN ENTIRE DECADE to get back where they were, in term…

> Then they cut off subsidies

And now they're back: https://www.cardino.de/en/blog-posts/subsidy-for-electric-ca...

'In Germany, the government has introduced various incentives to accelerate this shift. Among these are substantial subsidies for electric cars, which have been updated for 2023 and will be updated again for 2024. This article provides a detailed overview of these subsidies, their application process, and eligibility criteria.'

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by LtVodka »

kstenerud wrote: post #35
leononame wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I'm from, when you say "biggest" country, it's by default population unless specified otherwise. Area really isn't an important metric here (unless your country is tiny), because the ability of economic and industrial output scales with population more than with area. The most logical comparison would be by GDP here, because we're comparing economy. But for population, which is what I think about when specifyin…

Also, colloquially Europeans consider Russia to be an uncivilized backwater, so they don't count. Turkey is considered more middle-east.

>Also, colloquially Europeans consider Russia to be an uncivilized backwater, so they don't count.

citation needed. Otherwise, your prejudice has no place here.

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