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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by ESTheComposer »

halflife wrote: post #583
lenerdenator wrote: post #148

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Good for them. But if you're Arab Israeli, you don't have the same slate of rights and representation that Jewish Israelis have. See: freedom of movement to and from the Gaza Strip prior to October 7th.

Arabs has 100% the same rights as Israelis. The freedom of movements to Gaza was not allowed to Jews as well (or every Israeli), since this is an enemy territory. So I challenge you to find 1 law that treats Jews and Arab citizens differently in Israel

Literally not difficult to find the reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Civil_...

It's the same as the US's treatment of African Americans for decades; legally they have the same rights but the reality of how they get treated by their government is much different. Just pointing out "Aha! They are equal under law!" is misleading and tries to shut the issue down

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by unsignednoop »

rendall wrote: post #797
nsguy wrote: post #120

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I really appreciate the attempt here, but these people are convinced and refuse to yield to logical questions, e.g. What is the evidence for a genocide? Gaza Ministry of Health says there is a genocide. You mean Hamas? The people who organized and filmed themselves murdering and kidnapping women, old people and children. Why do they have credibility? The UN also says there is a genocide. The UN cites Hamas. The BBC,…

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by racional »

racional wrote: post #800
nsguy wrote: post #788

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We're unlikely to have a productive discussion anyways because we're so far apart and this is not a good medium to handle something like this topic. People that are entrenched in certain positions don't seem to want to give them up. However I'm not claiming all criticism on Israel is because "the people behind this project are of Jewish ancestry". But certainly antisemitism plays a role. It plays a role in Arab views…

Fair enough in regard to strong critiques. I still don't think the original statement I jumped in at ("Palestinians never had a country so that couldn't have been stolen from them") stands on its own, or helps explain the current situation. Of course they had a country; and hence would not recognize domination by a foreign population -- unless imposed by overwhelming force. The original Zionists were keenly aware of…

er, "tenets"

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by dunekid »

nsguy wrote: post #788
racional wrote: post #779

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I don't like to appear to be dismissive of longer posts by picking out just one aspect of them and ignoring everything else that was said; but in this case there's one assertion you're making which stands categorically above all others: You're still put on trial ... because you're Jewish. If what you mean here is the fact that the State of Israel is often subject to criticism for both for its founding ideology and th…

We're unlikely to have a productive discussion anyways because we're so far apart and this is not a good medium to handle something like this topic. People that are entrenched in certain positions don't seem to want to give them up. However I'm not claiming all criticism on Israel is because "the people behind this project are of Jewish ancestry". But certainly antisemitism plays a role. It plays a role in Arab views…

>if there is no critique of the founding of Jordan, which was given as a gift by the British to the Hashemites for helping them during the Arab revolt, then I think this is a problem.

That can also be criticised. Although what is tend to get lost in these type of arguments is that, it is entirely different to give assistance in ruling a patch of land versus literally displacing people from their land and homes and imposing military control over them.

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Post by afroboy »

SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

> Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war.

This is not a war.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by afroboy »

cjk2 wrote: post #273
croes wrote: post #228

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So it's ok to do something wrong, if others do it too?

It's a war. It's about doing wrong things until someone capitulates. I mean it'd be nice not to have them but as a species we're stupid animals with stupid ideas so there's no end of it in sight. I don't agree with any of it for ref.

So Alqaeda was right?

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #481
mike50 wrote: post #454

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Which Israeli defense contractors build airplanes and tanks? Without aircraft and spares you cannot have a modern military. The US absolutely props up Israeli with weapons and military technology that they do not produce in country. Waving around nuclear weapons and a massive number of troops are the actions of states that are weaker then project as (Russia DPRK).

> Which Israeli defense contractors build airplanes and tanks? Neither do the North Koreans [1][2]? (Caveats [3][4].) America dropping Israel simply means it finds a new supplier. Russia is out of the picture, given its dependence on Iran, but China and India would be more than willing to supply. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Army_Air_For... [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_of_North_Kor…

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