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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by internetter » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

windowshopping wrote: post #590

theshrike79 wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a user perspective it's 100% clear. If the system doesn't say "I'm gonna phone a friend to get an answer for this", it's going to stay either 100% local or at worst 100% within Apple Intelligence, which is audited to be completely private. So if you're asking for a recipe for banana bread, going to ChatGPT is fine. Sending more personal information might not be.

I just don't think the average user cares enough to want this extra friction. It's like if every time you ran a google search it gave you lower-quality results and you had to click a "Yes, give me the better content" option every time to get it to then display the proper results. It's just an extra step which people are going to get sick of very fast. You know what it's really reminiscent of? The EU cookies legislati…

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by heywire » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I know this wasn’t really your point, but most physicians around me use Epic MyChart, so I can book all that online. I also almost exclusively use email to communicate with our school district, and we’re in a small town.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by _23sd » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

The Image Playground demos contrast pretty strongly, in a bad way, with how image generation startups like Stability typically emphasize scifi landscapes and macro images in their marketing material. We're more open to strange color palettes and overly glossy looking surfaces in those types of images, so they're a good fit for current models that can run on smaller GPUs. Apple's examples of real people and places, on the other hand, look like they're deep in uncanny valley and I'm shocked anyone wanted them in a press release. More than any other feature announced today, that felt like they just got on the hype bandwagon and shipped image generation features to please AI-hungry investors, not create anything real people want to use.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by whizzter » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:30 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

In Sweden doctors have a fair bit of automation/systems around them, the sad part is that much of it has been co-opted for more stringent records keeping,etc that's just making doctors unhappy and ballooning administration costs instead of focusing on bringing better care for patients.

In essense, we've saved 50 lives a year by avoiding certain mistakes with better record keeping and killed 5000 since the medical queues are too long due to busy doctors so people don't bother getting help in time.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Damogran6 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:31 PM UTC

bboygravity wrote: post #586

Damogran6 wrote: post #461

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It's the potential for the model. Everyone else is hoovering the internet to model everything and Apple is sticking with their privacy message and saying 'how can I model your stuff to help you.' That's tangibly different.

I beg to differ. Example that should be super trivial: try to setup a sync of photos taken on your Iphone to a laptop (Mac or Windows or Linux) without going through Apple's cloud or any other cloud? With an Android phone and Windows laptop (for example) you simply install the Syncthing app on both and you're done. My point is not "Apple is worse", instead I'm just trying to point out that Apple definitely seems eage…

iCloud synchronizes all my stuff between all my devices (windows too) now. They've always been privacy-forward. I could completely see a container that spins up and AI's my stuff in their datacenter, that they don't have visibility into. The impact of them getting it wrong is pretty significant.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by hot_gril » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:32 PM UTC

iLoveOncall wrote: post #575

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

> Do you know that my family doctor ONLY take calls? And despite that it's still your family doctor. I fully agree with your vision. It's obvious once laid out in words and it was a very insightful comment. But the incentives are not there for other industries to automate themselves.

I like a family doctor who only takes calls. Good doctors are responsive or have responsive staff. One time a doctor was locked into booking and communicating via this One Medical app that's a total piece of shit and just made things harder, so I went elsewhere. If someone makes a truly better solution, AI or not, doctors will use it without being forced.

And government offices don't even care to begin with, you have no other choice.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by elAhmo » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:33 PM UTC

htrp wrote: post #415

> Apple Intelligence is free for users, and will be available in beta as part of iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia this fall in U.S. English. Some features, software platforms, and additional languages will come over the course of the next year. Apple Intelligence will be available on iPhone 15 Pro, iPhone 15 Pro Max, and iPad and Mac with M1 and later, with Siri and device language set to U.S. English. For more i…

I am quite disappointed that 14 pro is not supported. So much power, but they decided to not support any of the older chips.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by evrenesat » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:33 PM UTC

whalee wrote: post #278

I am deeply disturbed they decided to go off-device for these services to work. This is a terrible precedent, seemingly inconsistent with their previous philosophies and likely a pressured decision. I don't care if they put the word "private" in there or have an endless amount of "expert" audits. What a shame.

I hope at some point they start selling a beefy Mac mini variant that looks like a HomePod to work as an actual private AI server for the whole family.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by skhunted » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:33 PM UTC

talldayo wrote: post #523

skhunted wrote: post #505

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I don’t follow your second to last paragraph. It’s called Apple Intelligence. If you want to use something else do so but don’t expect Apple to build its own product and let you use whatever you want for it. Clearly the goal for Apple is to eventually use its own models and be an entirely in house product.

> Clearly the goal for Apple is to eventually use its own models and be an entirely in house product. If that turns out anything like Siri, then surely you would understand why people want a bring-your-own-model framework.

Their desires may or may not be rational in this but clearly Apple isn’t going to allow it. They have a history of doing their own thing.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by mihaaly » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

I can't wait until making tools for users will be the centerpiece of device development again instead of this corporate crap enforcement about half cooked whatevers acting on our behalf pretending to be a different us (I intentionally avoid the word intelligence, it is the mockery of the word that is going on all around).

Who will trust in anything coming from anyone through electonic channels? Not me. Sooner start to talk to a teddy bear or a yellow rubber duck.

This is a bad and dangerous tendency that corporate biggheads piss up with glares and fanfares so the crowd get willing to drink with amaze.

The whole text is full of corporate bullsh*t, hollow and cloudy stock phrases from a thick pipe - instead of facts or data - a generative cloud computing server room could pour at us without a shread of thoughts.