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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by onesociety2022 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:23 PM UTC

hu3 wrote: post #101

Am I understanding correctly that some AI will run on Apple servers? So not completely offline AI. If so that's somewhat disappointing given how much AI power Apple hardware packs. > Apple sets a new standard for privacy in AI, with the ability to flex and scale computational capacity between on-device processing and larger, server-based models that run on dedicated Apple silicon servers

Maybe that is actually good for iPhone buyers? Otherwise every 2 years, they will claim a bunch of new AI features will not work on your older device. But if they can delegate requests to a server, older devices can continue receiving newer AI features from future iOS releases (they will just be slower than the newer iPhones which will run them locally).

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:23 PM UTC

mihaaly wrote: post #607

Cloud compute and privacy in the same sentence, this is a new low bar for corporate bull*hit. Almost worse than the Windows Recall nonsense.

It's also auditable, they mentioned it multiple times.

Apple specifically doesn't want to know your shit, they're jumping through weird hoops to keep it that way.

It would be a LOT easier just to know your shit.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tekawade » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:24 PM UTC

"privacy in AI" - If apple is sharing with ChatGPT how does it work? Do they try to remove context information. But still it's sharing a lot more. + Anything that goes out can go anywhere in internet. Look at Facebook, Twitter and even Apple use of data.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by barkerja » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:24 PM UTC

skilled wrote: post #564

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I wonder if Apple ever approached Google about using Gemini as the flagship integration. I say that because during the keynote I kept thinking to myself, this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search - and all they have to do is sit back and watch the hype fade away. But that’s in a perfect world. Even to this day, post ChatGPT, I still can’t imagine how I would ever u…

My understanding is that Apple's approach to this integration is adaptable; much like how you would change your browser's search engine, you'll be able to change which external AI model is utilized. ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, etc.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by pms » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:25 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

Great points!

The only thing I'd add: I don't think the responsibility for lack of automation is solely on these other industries. To develop this kind of automation, they need funds and IT experts, but (i) they don't have funds, especially in the US, since they aren't as well funded as IT industry, (ii) for the IT industry this kind of automation is boring, they prefer working on AI.

In my view, the overall issue is that capitalism is prone to herding and hype, and resulting suboptimal collective decision-making.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dialup_sounds » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:25 PM UTC

resharpe105 wrote: post #495

LogHouse wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not sending every word to the cloud. I think you must invoke the AI features. Am I wrong?

I understood that it will have the full context of the data on your phone, in order to be ,,useful”. We are yet to see if that means only the data you’ve invoked ai features for, or totality of your emails, notes, messages, transcripts of your audio, etc.

From the presentation it sounds like the on-device model determines what portion of the local index is sent to the cloud as context, but is designed for none of that index to be stored in the cloud.

So (as I understand it) something like "What time does my Mom's flight arrive?" could read your email and contacts to find the flight on-device, but necessarily has to send the flight information and only the flight information to answer the arrival time.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by babypuncher » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:25 PM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #531

solarkraft wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has demonstrated to be relatively trustworthy about privacy while most AI companies have demonstrated the opposite, so I do see a significant difference.

Google was considered very cool and trustworthy at one point also. "Do no evil" and all that.

Google's entire buisness model was built on hoovering up and selling access to user data in the form of AdSense. Without that data, their business falls apart.

Apple's business model is to entice people into a walled garden ecosystem where they buy lots of expensive hardware sold on high margins. They don't need user data to make this work, which is why they can more comfortably push features like end-to-end and no-knowledge encryption.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ismepornnahi » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:25 PM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #546

dmix wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what that means for someone who missed part of the video today?

The Apple Intelligence cloud system uses Apple's own M-series chips, not Nvidia.

Because they will be running inference using much smaller models than GPT 4.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sircastor » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:25 PM UTC

hawski wrote: post #581

This ramping up AI war will leave no prisoners. I am not an Apple customer in any way, I am in Google's ecosystem, but I feel that I need to make an exit, at least some essentials, preferably this year. My e-mail, my documents, my photos, my browsing, my movement. The first step for me was setting up Syncthing and it was much smoother than I initially thought. Many steps to go.

I haven’t adopted passcodes, and moved all my email out of gmail to a private domain. Photos backup t to my NAS. I’m terrified of the automated systems deciding I’m a bad actor.

I can’t help but think it’ll get worse with AI

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by iLoveOncall » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:25 PM UTC

htrp wrote: post #415

> Apple Intelligence is free for users, and will be available in beta as part of iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia this fall in U.S. English. Some features, software platforms, and additional languages will come over the course of the next year. Apple Intelligence will be available on iPhone 15 Pro, iPhone 15 Pro Max, and iPad and Mac with M1 and later, with Siri and device language set to U.S. English. For more i…

That's a good reason not to upgrade my iPhone 13!