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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by SoftTalker »

Terretta wrote: post #437
SoftTalker wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

> I see no real difference between 2 and 3. This #2, so-called "Private Cloud Compute", is not the same as iCloud. And certainly not the same as sending queries to OpenAI. Quoting: “With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests. These models run on servers powered by Apple silicon, providing a foundation t…

Yes, that's all well and good but assumes no mistakes and no National Security letters ordering them to describe it that way and no changes of control or business strategy at some point in the future.

Once the data is out of your possession it's out of your control.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by vjulian »

ethbr1 wrote: post #334
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Could you please explain ‘lay bare organisational deficiencies’? I ask without skepticism.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ru552 »

blibble wrote: post #419
dieortin wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not feeding anything by having this feature turned on

I have zero confidence in any privacy or contractual guarantees being respected by the parasitic OpenAI

you have to acknowledge a pop up authorizing your request be sent to OpenAI every single time it happens. it's not going to happen by mistake.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by r00fus »

SoftTalker wrote: post #288
davidbarker wrote: post #143

So, if I've got this correct there's: 1. On-device AI 2. AI using Apple's servers 3. AI using ChatGPT/OpenAI's services (and others in the future) Number 1 will pass to number 2 if it thinks it requires the extra processing power, but number 3 will only be invoked with explicit user permission. [Edit: As pointed out below, other providers will be coming eventually.]

I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

Hopefully they have some toggle in settings for this.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Toutouxc »

Jtsummers wrote: post #260
riversflow wrote: post #46

> coming to iPhone 15 pro, iPad and Mac with M1 or later. I assume it will come to all the iPhone 16’s this fall? Or is Apple Intelligence a Pro Feature? Either way, my first reaction is that this is going to sell a lot of iPhones.

Apple's phones have, for several years now, been on a tick/tock sort of pattern. iPhone N Pro has the new CPU (15 Pro got the A17) and iPhone N uses the prior gen pro CPU (15 got the A16, which was in the iPhone 14 Pro). So this is probably an A17+ feature. If they stick to form, the iPhone 16 will have the A17 processor and the iPhone 16 Pro will have the A18. That's part of the differentiation between (on the phone…

Actually 15 Pro has the A17 “Pro” SoC, while the regular 15 uses the last gen A16 Bionic (Bionic being the regular version). We don’t know whether the next regular iPhone will get the last-gen A17 Pro (which would be a little confusing), or a “last-gen-but-new” A17 Bionic or if they’ll go with 18 Bionic + Pro.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by jeroenhd »

Terretta wrote: post #437
SoftTalker wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

> I see no real difference between 2 and 3. This #2, so-called "Private Cloud Compute", is not the same as iCloud. And certainly not the same as sending queries to OpenAI. Quoting: “With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests. These models run on servers powered by Apple silicon, providing a foundation t…

"We make the hardware and we pinky promise that we will protect your data and will open source part of it" means nothing for privacy. Especially when things like warrants come into play.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by solarkraft »

uoaei wrote: post #72
toddmorey wrote: post #53

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I thought privacy was really well handled for a high-level overview. Basically it seems like anything thing it can't do on device uses ephemeral private compute with no stored data. Any data sent to 3rd party AI models requests your consent first. The details will need to emerge on how they live up to this vision, but I think it's the best AI privacy model so far. I only wish they'd go further and release the Apple I…

Considering they spent the first half of that segment throwing shade at people who claim privacy guarantees without any way to verify them, Apple hopefully will provide a very robust verification process.

Like they've done in the past, huh?

They talk about "independent experts" a bit, which I remember being hindered (and sued?) by them rather than supported.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by anonbanker »

fh9302 wrote: post #423
machinekob wrote: post #199

Microsoft Recall => bad. Apple Recall => good.

Apple does not take screenshots every couple seconds, unlike Microsoft. That's what people were bothered about.

That was merely one aspect of what people were bothered about. The most obvious one.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

>The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails

I did not see the announcement. Can Siri also send emails? If so then won't this (like Gemini) be vulnerable to prompt injection attacks?

Edit: Supposedly Gemini does not actually send the emails; maybe Apple is doing the same thing?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by NewJazz »

rahkiin wrote: post #413
NewJazz wrote: post #386

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You misunderstand. They will go off device without asking you, they just ask if you want to use ChatGPT.

No: they do on device, ask to do off device in their private cloud. Chatgpt is then a separate integration / intent you ask can for

I don't see anything to that effect in tfa, and a few people in the comments have claimed otherwise.
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