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They make something they can trade, or go somewhere where there is land.
How they can make something they can trade, if they have no land on which they can make it? Where can they go, if private property exists in most of the world?
There's no free land, but there is cheap land, especially in deserts. Simply owning land might not be as nice as you imagine
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Yeah. Reminds me of a funny one in France where a stolen car had a tracker and it's location, behind a garage door, was known. But the police was saying: "Nothing can be done" . Turns out: the owner of the car had a friend who was a farmer. He came up with a tractor and ripped the garage door apart. That was his definition of "nothing can be done". If motherfuckers play dirty, play dirty with the motherfuckers.
my brother had a motorcycle stolen, and police didnt do shit. Eventually my brother managed to find out who stole it, and police still did not want to come. Turns out the thief also had some problems(owing money) with hells angels. A deal was struck with the fine angels, and the location of the perp was exchanged with (later that day) a recovered motorcycle. He was told the guy probably wouldnt be stealing motorcycle…
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Refusing to pay for a place to live is simply theft and entitlement. They expect people to build and maintain homes for them while doing nothing in return. If you abolish property rights, your two options are state slavery or anarchy where the strong take whatever they can. These misguided ideologies can only live parasitic ally on the fringe of a otherwise functional society. If they got their way, the society would…
> Refusing to pay for a place to live is simply theft and entitlement. Holding other people's basic survival need for ransom is simply theft and entitlement. What makes you think that people are going through all the complexity of squatting if they have the options of paying for a place to live? > If you abolish property rights, your two options are state slavery or anarchy where the strong take whatever they can. An…
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> There's clearly a gap between imaginary noble okupas addressing housing crisis via occupation of unused bank property and reality of weed smoking anarchists and their collaborating deoccupying mafia harassing mostly not-so-rich middle class, who can't afford the security measures the rich can. I had a friend who bought a house that needed a lot of work. Before he could get started on the remodel, someone broke in t…
It can be surprising to be on the other end of something and see the lack of sympathy. I went on a group hike once and somehow ended up telling people that my house had been broken into. It was a bummer. Actual monetary damages about 10k, but so many little gifts and heirlooms that were irreplaceable. It's hard to express the sense of violation. They also stole some of my wife's underwear which was just gross. Someon…
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no, the one trying to steal a house is begging for that.
They may be begging for it, but the law is on their side so they have nothing to fear from it. If they go to the police you'll end up in jail and I'll still be in your house.
im not saying to beat the squatter to a bloody pulp, im just saying, you go in, they are evicted, end of story
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> Refusing to pay for a place to live is simply theft and entitlement. Holding other people's basic survival need for ransom is simply theft and entitlement. What makes you think that people are going through all the complexity of squatting if they have the options of paying for a place to live? > If you abolish property rights, your two options are state slavery or anarchy where the strong take whatever they can. An…
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my brother had a motorcycle stolen, and police didnt do shit. Eventually my brother managed to find out who stole it, and police still did not want to come. Turns out the thief also had some problems(owing money) with hells angels. A deal was struck with the fine angels, and the location of the perp was exchanged with (later that day) a recovered motorcycle. He was told the guy probably wouldnt be stealing motorcycle…
If one must negotiate with gangsters to get justice then it's time to reform the system.
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Not arguing that owning property in a tourist area requires work (unless you're paying a property manager to do it for you), but I could never imagine owning a vacation property to be squarely middle class. Upper-middle class, at the very least.
Building a small house or cabin in the woods with the help of friends and family is an upper-middle class thing for you, really?
>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
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They may be begging for it, but the law is on their side so they have nothing to fear from it. If they go to the police you'll end up in jail and I'll still be in your house.
how exactly does that work? you went into my house, I throw you out, you call police and they come and haul me away? what stops me from calling the police on random guys claiming they threw me out? what will you say when police comes? "I was trying to steal his house and he threw me out"? im not saying to beat the squatter to a bloody pulp, im just saying, you go in, they are evicted, end of story
In California the courts hold squatters innocent until proven guilty through a lengthy legal process. Meanwhile you are charged for with no delay because it is illegal to beat someone even if they are squatting in your house.
I don't like it, but this is the situation when the law is on the squatters side.
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Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. The "swift" solution would send you to jail in mere hours. You're presumed guilty. Yes, it defies any logic, but that's the way that it is. My mom's husband had rented his previous flat (to complement his pension) to two women. They were working, very "normal" persons, and the contract specified that no other person could live there. One of them started dating a…
so you're saying if i book a flight to spain tomorow, find someone who has JUST moved into a house, perhaps scouting for moving trucks, scream loudly, call police and say they threw me out by force, the guy just moving into his new house will be hauled away to jail and presumed guilty? no, that is not how it is. what will happen is, police will come, you are in your house, some idiot claims to have legal right to the…