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Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by marcinzm »

auggierose wrote: post #36
marcinzm wrote: post #31

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Given that study you'd expect over an extra 10 years somewhere around 10k excess deaths from the vaccine in the US. That's probably very generous. That's tiny versus mortality rates from COVID.

Except of course it hits those who would not have had any problem with COVID in the first place: young people. Personally, I'd like that explained to me before the shot.

> Except of course it hits those who would not have had any problem with COVID in the first place: young people.

Children also get much higher myocarditis rates from COVID than without COVID.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10352818/

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Post by jml78 »

auggierose wrote: post #32
smallerize wrote: post #25

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MRNA - myocarditis, non-MRNA - thrombosis. Plus risk of shoulder injury from a botched injection. Small fucking potatoes against millions dead plus millions more injured. I'm on 5 shots and I guess I'm due for a booster.

Go bold or go home. That's a good scientific attitude. Yeah, that myocarditis, it's basically like a flu.

Again, you are way more likely to get myocarditis from Covid than the vaccine.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by yyggvbb »

elzbardico wrote: post #30
eru wrote: post #14

> The total number of excess deaths in 47 countries of the Western World was 3 098 456 from 1 January 2020 until 31 December 2022. Hmm, would have been better to talk about lost quality adjusted life years, because someone old and frail dying 3 months earlier than expected vs someone previously healthy dying are two very different things.

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My mom died of COVID.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by willcipriano »

deng wrote: post #33
auggierose wrote: post #22

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Myocarditis is a pretty serious thing [1], so even a slight increase in risk in young people makes it pretty much a no-no to vaccinate them. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9888677/#:~:tex... .

Fully agree, so one more reason to get vaccinated, as getting myocarditis from Covid is far more common. https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

That only follows if the vaccine prevents infection.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by unsupp0rted »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #6

I've been watching EuroMoMo¹ since early 2020² and it's done a great job visualizing the stats. Especially if you break it down by countries and age groups. ¹ European Mortality Monitor: https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps ² Blog post from Jan 29 2020: https://romanabashin.com/coronavirus-2020-outbreak/

What happened here?

https://imgur.com/8cq4ak3

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by c-cube »

auggierose wrote: post #32
smallerize wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MRNA - myocarditis, non-MRNA - thrombosis. Plus risk of shoulder injury from a botched injection. Small fucking potatoes against millions dead plus millions more injured. I'm on 5 shots and I guess I'm due for a booster.

Go bold or go home. That's a good scientific attitude. Yeah, that myocarditis, it's basically like a flu.

You know that the flu kills people too, right?

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by myrmidon »

admissionsguy wrote: post #15
myrmidon wrote: post #8

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As a non-US-citizen my understanding of this is limited, but I see very little fact-based criticism and instead personal attacks and calls to "jail him" without even a clear case. That in itself is strongly anti-democratic behavior that I would be extremely hesitant to support even if there was a strong factual foundation to the accusations (which I can't see so far). Which aspect of this report makes you confident t…

It is incredibly important to make the life of decision makers from the covid times as unpleasant as possible in order to reduce the chance of a repeat when the next pandemic comes.

Which decisions were made during Covid that went so strongly against facts known at the time that people should be imprisoned for making them?

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by marcinzm »

willcipriano wrote: post #44
deng wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree, so one more reason to get vaccinated, as getting myocarditis from Covid is far more common. https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

That only follows if the vaccine prevents infection.

No it doesn't. The study was the outcome of the vaccine irrespective of what happens after you get the vaccine. Get a full covid infection? Still counted. Get no infection? Still counted.

Still lower in the end.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by kadkadels »

willcipriano wrote: post #44
deng wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree, so one more reason to get vaccinated, as getting myocarditis from Covid is far more common. https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

That only follows if the vaccine prevents infection.

The vaccines significantly reduce the severity and duration of covid. Reduced severity translates to a lower risk of complications, including myocarditis. It doesn't have to prevent infection completely to protect you.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Post by fluoridation »

myrmidon wrote: post #40
eru wrote: post #17

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> That in itself is strongly anti-democratic behavior [...] Not sure what this has to do with democracy? Seems more like a rule of law issue?

I don't think it should be punishable to call for political opponents to be imprisoned. But derailing a discussion from factual criticism into emotional populism appears extremely harmful to the concept of democracy itself to me: In an ideal democracy, candidates would be elected based on how their political alignment and intended actions match up with voters. But if politicians denigrate their competition instead, a…

>if politicians denigrate their competition instead, and paint everyone outside their camp as enemy/traitor/unvotable, then this essentially frees them from having to compete on policy

What? How does the conclusion follow from the premise? That a politician resorts to ad hominem fallacies does not by itself mean that whoever listens to them will act purely on those fallacies over everything else. Moreover, the voters are just as likely to vote based on similar fallacies that they come up with themselves. "Oh, I don't like that guy, he has a bent nose." Ultimately it's each voter's responsibility to judge the candidates based on appropriate metric and not be swayed by bullshit, whether of their own creation or not.

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