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Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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"In 2020, the year of the COVID-19 pandemic onset and implementation of containment measures, records present 1 033 122 excess deaths (P-score 11.4%). In 2021, the year in which both containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines were used to address virus spread and infection, the highest number of excess deaths was reported: 1 256 942 excess deaths (P-score 13.8%). In 2022, when most containment measures were lifted and COVID-19 vaccines were continued, preliminary data present 808 392 excess deaths (P-score 8.8%)."

I can only read the Abstract, but from the quote above, it may seem that the containment measures had only a limited effect in reducing excess deaths... but wouldn't the number of excess deaths in a hypothetical world where no measures had been taken at all (no masks, no vaccines, no social distancing) be exponentially growing?? Say, it started at 1 million, went to 1.2 million the next year (with some containment measures already in place) and it would probably have gone way higher the next year (but it didn't) if the pattern continued, wouldn't it? I guess eventually it would go back down, but that would probably only have happened when most people who are prone to dying from the virus would've have died already, which probably would take many millions more (ignoring the fact that viruses naturally become less lethal over time, as killing too many hosts is bad for spreading further). So I don't know, given all of these variables I would say 800,000 excess deaths in 2022 is perhaps showing that containment actually did work, just not as well as one would've hoped.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Looking at that study for Pfizer and Moderna it's a slightly increased risk of myocarditis and shoulder injury at the site of injection. That's it. All other side effects they either didn't have enough evidence for or found that the evidence explicitly rejects a causal relationship.

Myocarditis is a pretty serious thing [1], so even a slight increase in risk in young people makes it pretty much a no-no to vaccinate them.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9888677/#:~:tex....

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MRNA - myocarditis, non-MRNA - thrombosis. Plus risk of shoulder injury from a botched injection.

Small fucking potatoes against millions dead plus millions more injured. I'm on 5 shots and I guess I'm due for a booster.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-US-citizen my understanding of this is limited, but I see very little fact-based criticism and instead personal attacks and calls to "jail him" without even a clear case. That in itself is strongly anti-democratic behavior that I would be extremely hesitant to support even if there was a strong factual foundation to the accusations (which I can't see so far). Which aspect of this report makes you confident t…

It is incredibly important to make the life of decision makers from the covid times as unpleasant as possible in order to reduce the chance of a repeat when the next pandemic comes.

Surely you want to target the ones who made the wrong decisions, then?

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Myocarditis seems to be the one you refer to? Conclusions Regarding mRNA-1273 Conclusion 3-2: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome. Conclusion 3-10: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and Bell's palsy. Conclusion 5-2: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273…

Yes, this causal relationship with myocarditis is well known by now.

However:

"In a detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people, the risk of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals after COVID-19 infection was at least 11 times higher compared to people who developed myocarditis after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine or booster dose, according to new research published today in the American Heart Association’s flagship, peer-reviewed journal Circulation."

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant...

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Paper puts concerns into vaccine dangers, which I am positive about to look at. But it's emphasis on vaccines seems cherry picked to me - their own excessive-death-by-country table shows countries with late / low vaccination (mostly eastern europe) coming out top on excessive deaths. This is not mentioned or explained in the analysis at all.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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> The total number of excess deaths in 47 countries of the Western World was 3 098 456 from 1 January 2020 until 31 December 2022. Hmm, would have been better to talk about lost quality adjusted life years, because someone old and frail dying 3 months earlier than expected vs someone previously healthy dying are two very different things.

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