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Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by evantbyrne »

fire_lake wrote: post #9
tcdent wrote: post #3

Anybody have recommendations for similar projects written in Python? Curious to know the motivations for choosing Java in this case.

Python is significantly more resource heavy than Java. This is not a notebook or quick script. What would Python offer here?

Objectively, very little probably. Non-java shops tend to avoid it because java codebases have a reputation for being relatively complicated. Java is a great language though and it may very well be the best cultural fit for the type of org that _actually likes_ salesforce. They also seem to be publishing a docker image, so it shouldn't be difficult for non-java orgs to integrate.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by 999900000999 »

Looks cool, but honestly what companies need a Salesforce like too but can't afford Salesforce force ?

I'm still have to host this thing somewhere, if I'm bootstraping a startup I might as well rely on Excel until I can afford Salesforce.

I like the project though. Best of luck.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by jrklabs_com »

tcdent wrote: post #3

Anybody have recommendations for similar projects written in Python? Curious to know the motivations for choosing Java in this case.

Yes, I haven't used this myself yet but I have been keeping my eye on this project for a while now, https://erpnext.com/ The Frappe framework that is the foundation of ERP Next can be used to extend the ERP platform or build standalone apps.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by megadal »

mgl wrote: post #39
megadal wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Yes, I think you could compare Openkoda with Odoo, but well... we are nowhere near being billionaires ;)

Assuming you are apart of the team, I'm sure you know Odoo is 20 years old. So, I can't see why in time there couldn't be real competition.

OpenKoda and Odoo actually have sparked interesting questions for me about what an Open source ERP market would look like.

One conclusion I came to is as opposed to vendor lock-in as most ERP/CRM products try to enforce, it would actually be better to go the opposite direction (high compatibility with existing alternatives).

That said, have you guys considered allowing imports from Odoo into OpenKoda or other deep integrations?

In theory, I feel like you can run Odoo apps in OpenKoda, or even vice versa. The experience would be suboptimal but being split between two ERP systems is too.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl »

999900000999 wrote: post #42

Looks cool, but honestly what companies need a Salesforce like too but can't afford Salesforce force ? I'm still have to host this thing somewhere, if I'm bootstraping a startup I might as well rely on Excel until I can afford Salesforce. I like the project though. Best of luck.

That's a great question and we have great answers from actual clients - the repeating pattern goes as follows:

"We invested three years building this app, it's a booming success, but their user-based pricing is killing us"

"We can't run complex queries"

"It's too slow"

"We feel our data is stuck there"

"I want to own my code and my application"

"Why do I need to use APEX where we use Java and JS everywhere else in the company"

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by megadal »

tomrod wrote: post #40
megadal wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Odoo's quest for monetization from open source has been a bit off-putting. I stopped using it a few quarters back due to that. Community and Enterprise are becoming too disjointed.

Thanks for the feedback. I've never used Odoo or OpenKoda, just read a lot about both and was impressed.

Sad to hear about Odoo's disjointed approach to enterprise monetization.

Hopefully OpenKoda takes note.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by cooperadymas »

grepLeigh wrote: post #20

Salesforce's biggest value proposition is the partner ecosystem, which Salesforce has cultivated for like 20+ years. Some platform companies (Shopify comes to mind) cannibalize their plugin ecosystem by adding similar functionality to the core platform, but Salesforce deliberately avoids competing with software/services in the partner ecosystem. It's such a safe bet to build on top of Salesforce, because there's basi…

> but Salesforce deliberately avoids competing with software/services in the partner ecosystem

It helps that Salesforce takes a huge slice from sales in the AppExchange.

This isn't entirely true, though. Salesforce does, at times, position itself against its own ecosystem. Their recent attempt at devops, no matter how feeble it is, directly competes against major players like Copado and Gearset. Mulesoft and some other ventures over the years should have theoretically relegated a huge multitude of sync apps to irrelevancy, if Salesforce had been able to execute better on them. They launched a payment system a couple of years ago that competes with some other top marketplace options. There are dozens of examples like this.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl »

megadal wrote: post #47
tomrod wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odoo's quest for monetization from open source has been a bit off-putting. I stopped using it a few quarters back due to that. Community and Enterprise are becoming too disjointed.

Thanks for the feedback. I've never used Odoo or OpenKoda, just read a lot about both and was impressed. Sad to hear about Odoo's disjointed approach to enterprise monetization. Hopefully OpenKoda takes note.

Point taken.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by OutOfHere »

fire_lake wrote: post #9
tcdent wrote: post #3

Anybody have recommendations for similar projects written in Python? Curious to know the motivations for choosing Java in this case.

Python is significantly more resource heavy than Java. This is not a notebook or quick script. What would Python offer here?

Python is more resource heavy than Java for CPU, but not for memory. I am pretty sure that Java is more resource heavy for memory.

Also, Java programmers have the habit of using excessive abstractions that don't solve real problems.

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