Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative • Hacker News Board

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl » Tue, May 28, 2024, 5:54 PM UTC

bfmalky wrote: post #11

tcdent wrote: post #3

Anybody have recommendations for similar projects written in Python? Curious to know the motivations for choosing Java in this case.

I would guess java was chosen for its high quality libraries, efficient runtime and its static typing, which enables easy and safe refactoring.

Exactly this.

We find modern Java to be ubiquitous, fast, and (still) super popular in enterprise environments.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by righthand » Tue, May 28, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by eddythompson80 » Tue, May 28, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #24

grepLeigh wrote: post #20

Salesforce's biggest value proposition is the partner ecosystem, which Salesforce has cultivated for like 20+ years. Some platform companies (Shopify comes to mind) cannibalize their plugin ecosystem by adding similar functionality to the core platform, but Salesforce deliberately avoids competing with software/services in the partner ecosystem. It's such a safe bet to build on top of Salesforce, because there's basi…

> Some platform companies (Shopify comes to mind) cannibalize their plugin ecosystem by adding similar functionality to the core platform, but Salesforce deliberately avoids competing with software/services in the partner ecosystem When do you compete, and when do you cultivate? Are some business sectors better at one versus the other?

Also insert the standard HN comment of “I can’t believe it’s [CURRENT_YEAR] and this functionality isn’t part of the core platform itself”

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 28, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

mgl wrote: post #19

hellcow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you merge consistently and just cut stable releases on a scheduled cadence?

Yes, that's a good point - actually we were discussing this option (again!) just last week as we are cautious of not-that-frequent public releases.

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Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by Timshel » Tue, May 28, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

mgl wrote: post #19

hellcow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you merge consistently and just cut stable releases on a scheduled cadence?

Yes, that's a good point - actually we were discussing this option (again!) just last week as we are cautious of not-that-frequent public releases.

Without it any contribution will probably be a pain to handle (and it's usually already not trivial to handle correctly ;).

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl » Tue, May 28, 2024, 5:58 PM UTC

righthand wrote: post #32

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Salesforce is a generic application platform today, and this is how see it. Openkoda is not a drop-in replacement for Salesforce CRM, it is a useful replacement when you want to build your core business application a) retaining full source code ownership and ability to get any Java/JS team to work on it and run anywhere you want, b) without becoming dependent on technology and commercial limitations of working with big S.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by promptingmetosi » Tue, May 28, 2024, 6:00 PM UTC

manuelabeledo wrote: post #29

llmblockchain wrote: post #13

In true enterprise fashion, they went with Java. Enterprise, confirmed.

Honest question, what's wrong with Java? It's performant, has mature libraries, good documentation, and supported pretty much everywhere.

There's plenty I'd like to improve but it's honestly in a very good shape. There's a reason enterprise picks Java - it's battle tested and there are enough quality developers around. Frameworks like Spring for webdev are top notch. Unless you've got a very specific reason to pick something else (python or rust or whatever) Java is the safe bet (along with c# but Java is an order of magnitude bigger I think).

It's just people taking memes seriously. Java is great and continuously improving.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by megadal » Tue, May 28, 2024, 6:00 PM UTC

righthand wrote: post #32

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP).

Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl » Tue, May 28, 2024, 6:02 PM UTC

megadal wrote: post #38

righthand wrote: post #32

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Yes, I think you could compare Openkoda with Odoo, but well... we are nowhere near being billionaires ;)

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by tomrod » Tue, May 28, 2024, 6:03 PM UTC

megadal wrote: post #38

righthand wrote: post #32

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Odoo's quest for monetization from open source has been a bit off-putting. I stopped using it a few quarters back due to that. Community and Enterprise are becoming too disjointed.