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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by davidgerard »

bee_rider wrote: post #8

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

yep. From Baldur Bjarnason:

> For months, we’ve been hearing leaks about Apple’s talks with the EU about the Digital Market Act. Those talks were not negotiations even though Apple seems to have thought they were.

https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2024/facing-reality-in-the-e...

The EU cannot allow a large business to mess around like this.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by pjerem »

throwaway_qiwuw wrote: post #71
makeitdouble wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple They wouldn't be ropped in kicking and screaming if that really was the case.

Much like my 8 year old, I think they lack the perspective to behave like an adult here. Several companies have fought what they thought were unwanted regulations only to view them as useful later on. Time will tell if they were right to kick and scream or not.

Yeah. Especially in Apple’s case, I don’t understand how they can’t see that a more open iOS could easily dominate the market.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by Scarblac »

Caligatio wrote: post #28

I always scratch my head about articles that lump Meta, Apple, and Google together when it comes to regulations. They all have different problems that require different solutions. Apple - consumers give the company for hardware which is locked into a closed ecosystem. Apple extracts extra revenue by enforcing this closed ecosystem. There can be no competition other than not purchasing their hardware in the first plac…

Google and Meta could behave like normal companies and require users to pay them money and not sell PII. If that makes them far less successful that's good news for competitors.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by forgetfreeman »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #35
MrDresden wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are taking the side of a 3 trillion dollor consumer goods company's bottom line, rather than 500 million people's right to choice and privacy. You do realise that, don't you?

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Apple isn't doing a damned thing to promote my prosperity bud, and glossy consumer electronics is hardly the path to hegemony. Just between me and you, I think consumers, The Market, and tech in general would be better off if Apple imploded in a cloud of minority shareholder lawsuits.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by userbinator »

tyfon wrote: post #67
pheggs wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I agree its a good idea to not track personal data, but thats by far not the only rule in GDPR

What other rule do you find impossible? Data portability? The users right to delete data? Data processing agreements? Data security? Article 30? They are all fairly trivial unless you do shady stuff really. Step one if is really looking at what you process as stipulated by article 30, a lot of the other stuff is much easier after that. One of my roles is as a DPO in a bank in Europe, and it's far from impossible to c…

The users right to delete data?

In practice that becomes the "right to rewrite history". Which should never be a good thing, for obvious reasons.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by frizlab »

davidgerard wrote: post #91
bee_rider wrote: post #8

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

yep. From Baldur Bjarnason: > For months, we’ve been hearing leaks about Apple’s talks with the EU about the Digital Market Act. Those talks were not negotiations even though Apple seems to have thought they were. https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2024/facing-reality-in-the-e... The EU cannot allow a large business to mess around like this.

And yet they did and still allow google analytics to exist while it not being GDPR compliant.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by wiseowise »

mrweasel wrote: post #66
servus45678981 wrote: post #18

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No it wouldn‘t. Instead European Brands like Nokia, Fairphone, Gigaset and Nothing would grow.iMessage and other Apple specific services are not really popular, even if the iPhone sells good.

This comes up everything the EU/Europe and Apple comes up: iMessage is hugely popular, it is just not the most popular (or even third or second) messaging platform. Also the largest is Facebook Messenge, and in the top five is another Meta product, WhatsApp. So it's not like it's all Signal, Viper or Telegram, it's mostly platforms from another US tech giant.

I’ve never heard anyone using iMessage in NL. most use WhatsApp, Telegram and some Signal.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by davidgerard »

bun_terminator wrote: post #84
userbinator wrote: post #22

I'm in favour of opening up platforms and interoperability, but not the GDPR. Maybe in this case, "an enemy is an enemy of a friend".

The GDPR is a nightmare. So much paperwork, so much money down the drain. Only for the receptionist still yelling your diagnosis through the doctors office.

please detail the nightmares you personally found!

I detailed my personal experience here: https://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/606812.html

tl;dr no it isn't, unless your business model is to abuse customer data.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by jnurmine »

patrickmcnamara wrote: post #37

> the eight-year-old General Data Protection Regulation Wow. It's actually only been enforced for six years but that time absolutely flew by.

What really amazes me is how a random high-profile website has like 400+ "partners" listed in the cookie dialogs. Each one is building a profile of people in various ways based on the site usage, and internet usage in general.

Where does all that information go? What is the information used for in the end?

The tracking technologies enable many things, and the continuum from "to show you interest-based ads" to full-on Stasi is rather large.

But given the massive scale of tracking and profile-building, at least I have no idea exactly where we are now (though clearly we're not at the worst-case extreme).

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by mrweasel »

Hamuko wrote: post #70
mrweasel wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comes up everything the EU/Europe and Apple comes up: iMessage is hugely popular, it is just not the most popular (or even third or second) messaging platform. Also the largest is Facebook Messenge, and in the top five is another Meta product, WhatsApp. So it's not like it's all Signal, Viper or Telegram, it's mostly platforms from another US tech giant.

Is iMessage actually popular or is it just "popular" because it automatically takes over if you try to send an SMS to a person with an iPhone?

> takes over if you try to send an SMS to a person with an iPhone?

That's a huge part of it. Finding good stats is hard, but take Denmark and Sweden, it more likely that not that the person you're messaging also have an iPhone. Still most countries, from the statistics I've seem, have around 20 - 33% iMessage usage. Sure some of these people also have Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp, but 30% is still a massive number.

The thing Apple has going for it is that people can't switch, or they can, but the alternative is SMS. Some seem to think that if iMessage goes away, people will just switch to WhatsApp or Signal. NO, they'll fallback to SMS/MMS.

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