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Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by pasc1878 »

viraptor wrote: post #16
petre wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also the argument that they made enough money with these monopolistic practices and it's now time to stop or share their stash with the EU. How could have the legislator forseen all of these practices in order to codify them into laws? Regulation usually comes after abuse.

What do you even mean? There's no payments to EU in this case. How would they share the stash?

Apple - and the rest of the large companies manage to order their payments so that their profits are offshored out of Europe. Which means they are not paying the corporate tax an EU resident company would. So EU is not getting their fair share.

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Post by icehawk »

Caligatio wrote: post #28

I always scratch my head about articles that lump Meta, Apple, and Google together when it comes to regulations. They all have different problems that require different solutions. Apple - consumers give the company for hardware which is locked into a closed ecosystem. Apple extracts extra revenue by enforcing this closed ecosystem. There can be no competition other than not purchasing their hardware in the first plac…

As a consumer, I am particularly unsympathetic to what what Apple is doing to developers.

The developers do the same to me when they have the opportunity.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by LAC-Tech »

patrickmcnamara wrote: post #37

> the eight-year-old General Data Protection Regulation Wow. It's actually only been enforced for six years but that time absolutely flew by.

Remember when local US companies with zero EU presence were geo-blocking EU visitors in-case they were found to be in-violation of the GDPR? Presumably the fear was a crack team of EU secret service agents would kidnap and illegally extradite them to stand trial in Brussels.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by makeitdouble »

ein0p wrote: post #34

I’m an Apple fan and I keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in Apple stock, and I still hope we at least get side loading out of all this. I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple - most people don’t give a shit. But for me and others like me it’d be pretty neat to do on my iPhone and iPad what I can already do on my Mac: install my own software that is not arbitrarily time limited.

> I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple

They wouldn't be ropped in kicking and screaming if that really was the case.

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Post by Hamuko »

yard2010 wrote: post #47
viraptor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, get rid of their 2nd largest market, at size ~⅔ of the US one. Yes, that will definitely show the EU who's the boss. /s

But what if they will though? Won't china happily replace the EU market? It's much bigger too and Winnie the Pooh doesn't care about ppl privacy that much

Apple is losing market share in China and iPhone shipments are down almost 20%. What bold strategy is going to make Chinese sales make up for the entirety of the European Union?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/apples-q1-phone-sales-chi...

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Post by mrweasel »

servus45678981 wrote: post #18
kernal wrote: post #13

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Apple should play their Trump card and threaten to pull out of the EU. The EU would blink first because the public backlash would be career ending.

No it wouldn‘t. Instead European Brands like Nokia, Fairphone, Gigaset and Nothing would grow.iMessage and other Apple specific services are not really popular, even if the iPhone sells good.

This comes up everything the EU/Europe and Apple comes up: iMessage is hugely popular, it is just not the most popular (or even third or second) messaging platform. Also the largest is Facebook Messenge, and in the top five is another Meta product, WhatsApp. So it's not like it's all Signal, Viper or Telegram, it's mostly platforms from another US tech giant.

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Post by tyfon »

pheggs wrote: post #50
aebtebeten wrote: post #40

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The GDPR is trivial to comply with: don't track (let alone process) personal data.

Yes I agree its a good idea to not track personal data, but thats by far not the only rule in GDPR

What other rule do you find impossible?

Data portability?

The users right to delete data?

Data processing agreements?

Data security?

Article 30?

They are all fairly trivial unless you do shady stuff really. Step one if is really looking at what you process as stipulated by article 30, a lot of the other stuff is much easier after that.

One of my roles is as a DPO in a bank in Europe, and it's far from impossible to comply.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by nottorp »

riffraff wrote: post #46
_the_inflator wrote: post #3

Very valid points. In my view they miss the mark however. Blaming Apple for optimizing their platform model isn’t the problem, it became a problem. Imagine 2007 and the following years already with the EU act in full effect. AppStore would be dead on arrival. In my view Apple’s AppStore went from feature some people have when they buy a smartphone to necessity. 2007 and even 2016 was a perfect time to opt for a live…

> Imagine 2007 and the following years already with the EU act in full effect. AppStore would be dead on arrival. App stores on platforms where competition is allowed still thrive, I'm sure you heard of Steam?

And funny enough, Steam has some competition, namely GoG.

Speaking of game stores, how about an "alternate iOS app store" that only has hand curated pay once games? Might entice me to actually check mobile games again and even buy some.

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Post by Hamuko »

mrweasel wrote: post #66
servus45678981 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it wouldn‘t. Instead European Brands like Nokia, Fairphone, Gigaset and Nothing would grow.iMessage and other Apple specific services are not really popular, even if the iPhone sells good.

This comes up everything the EU/Europe and Apple comes up: iMessage is hugely popular, it is just not the most popular (or even third or second) messaging platform. Also the largest is Facebook Messenge, and in the top five is another Meta product, WhatsApp. So it's not like it's all Signal, Viper or Telegram, it's mostly platforms from another US tech giant.

Is iMessage actually popular or is it just "popular" because it automatically takes over if you try to send an SMS to a person with an iPhone?
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