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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Not a lawyer but those contracts aren't legal. You need something called "consideration" ie something new of value to be legal. They can't just take away something of value that was already agreed upon. However they could add this to new employee contracts.

Have you seen the contracts?

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I had to login because I haven’t seen anybody reference this in like a decade. If I remember correctly the author unsuccessfully tried to get that purged from the Internet

You're thinking of something else (and "purged from the internet" isn't exactly an accurate account of that, either).

Genuinely curious… What is the other thing?

Is this some thing about an obelisk?

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If I have equity in a company and I care about its value, I’m not going to say anything to tank its value. If I sell my equity later on, and then disparage the company, what can OpenAI hope to do to me?

From what other people have commented, you don't get equity. You get a profit sharing plan. You're chained to them for life. There is no divestiture.

Well, then, people are selling their souls.

I got laid off by a different company and can't disparage them. I can tell the truth. I'm not signing anything that requires me to lie.

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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> if 7 years have elapsed since they were granted, they are now worthless Once vested, RSUs are the same as regular stock purchased through the market. The company cannot claw them back, nor do they "expire".

No, this is not true. That's the entire point I'm making. An RSU that is vested, for a private company, is not a share of stock, it's an entitlement to receive a share of stock tied to a liquidity event. > same as regular stock purchased through the market You cannot purchase stock of a private company on the open market. > The company cannot claw them back The company cannot "claw back" a vested RSU but they can can…

It's just a semantic issue. Some folks will say aren't really fully vested when they are double trigger until the second trigger event. Some will say they are vested but not triggered, other people say similar things.

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Submission title mentions NDA but the article also mentions a non disparagement agreement. "You can't give away our trade secrets" is one thing but it sounds like they're being told they can't say anything critical of the company at all.

They can't even mention the NDA exists!

This is common, and there is nothing wrong with it.

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Personally, I think catastrophic global warming and climate change will happen before we get AGI, possibly in part due to the pursuit of AGI. But as the saying goes, yes the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.

Want to share your model? Or is this more like a hunch?

Sounds like standard doomer crap tbh. I'm not sure which is more dangerous at this point - climate change denialism (it isn't happening) or climate change doomerism (we can't stop it, might as well give up)

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I have some experience with rich people who think they can just put whatever they want in contracts and then stare at you until you sign it because you are physically dependent on eating food every day. Turns out they're right, they can put whatever they want in a contract. And again, they are correct that their wage slaves will 99.99% of the time sign whatever paper he pushes in front of them while saying "as a cond…

> if nothing is perpetual, then how long can it last supposing both sides do get ongoing consideration from it? the answer is, the judge will figure it out.

Isn't that the reason more competent lawyers put in the royal lives[1] clause? It specifies the contract is valid until 21 years after the death of the last currently-living royal descendant; I believe the youngest one is currently 1 year old, and they all have good healthcare, so it's almost certainly will be beyond the lifetime of any currently-employed persons.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_lives_clause

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?

That OpenAI are institutionally unethical. That such a young company can be become rotten so quickly can only be due to leadership instruction or leadership failure.

Clearly by design.

The most dishonest leadership.

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