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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by maxerickson »

OldMatey wrote: post #17

Well that's not worrying. /s I am curious how long it will take for Sam to go from being perceived as a hero to a villain and then on to supervillain. Even if they had a massive, successful and public safety team, and got alignment right (which I am highly doubtful about being possible) it is still going to happen as massive portions of white collar workers loose their jobs. Mass protests are coming and he will be an…

If they actually invent a disruptive god, society should just take it away.

No need to fret over the harm to future innovation when I innovation is an industrial product.

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Post by pennybanks »

jbernsteiniv wrote: post #204
jay-barronville wrote: post #173

It probably would be better to switch the link from the X post to the Vox article [0]. From the article: “““ It turns out there’s a very clear reason for [why no one who had once worked at OpenAI was talking]. I have seen the extremely restrictive off-boarding agreement that contains nondisclosure and non-disparagement provisions former OpenAI employees are subject to. It forbids them, for the rest of their lives, fr…

He gets my respect for that one both publicly acknowledging why he was leaving and their pantomime. I don't know how much the equity would be for each employee (the article suggests millions but that may skew by role) and I don't know if I would just be like the rest by keeping my lips tight for fear of the equity forfeiture. It takes a man of real principle to stand up against that and tell them to keep their money…

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Post by ein0p »

jay-barronville wrote: post #197
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading that thread it’s really interesting to me. I see how far we’ve come in a short couple of years. But I still can’t grasp how we’ll achieve AGI within any reasonable amount of time. It just seems like we’re missing some really critical… something… Idk. Folks much smarter than I seem worried so maybe I should be too but it just seems like such a long shot.

When it comes to AI, as a rule, you should assume that whatever has been made public by a company like OpenAI is AT LEAST 6 months behind what they’ve accomplished internally. At least. So yes, the insiders very likely know a thing or two that the rest of us don’t.

If they had anything close to AGI, they’d just have it improve itself. Externally this would manifest as layoffs.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

thorum wrote: post #167
api wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are not aligned with humans. This is the most concise takedown of that particular branch of nonsense that I’ve seen so far. Do we want woke AI, X brand fash-pilled AI, CCPBot, or Emirates Bot? The possibilities are endless.

CEV is one possible answer to this question that has been proposed. Wikipedia has a good short explanation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligen... And here is a more detailed explanation: https://intelligence.org/files/CEV.pdf

I had to login because I haven’t seen anybody reference this in like a decade.

If I remember correctly the author unsuccessfully tried to get that purged from the Internet

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

Buttons840 wrote: post #214

So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?

In the past a lot of options would expire if you didn’t exercise them within eg. 90 days of leaving. And exercising could be really expensive.

Speculation: maybe the options they earn when they work there have some provision like this. In return for the NDA the options get extended.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

r2_pilot wrote: post #211
whimsicalism wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is having money morally wrong?

Depends on how you get it

Exactly. There’s no ethical way to gain ownership of a billion dollars (there’s likely some dollar threshold way less than 1B where p(ethical_gains) can be approximated to 0)

A lot of people got screwed along the way

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Post by ethbr1 »

mminer237 wrote: post #148
beastman82 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ITT: a bunch of laymen thinking their 2 second proposal will outlawyer the team of lawyers who drafted these.

I am a lawyer. This is not just a general release, and I have no idea how OpenAI's lawyers expect this to be legal.

Out of curiosity, what are the penalties for putting unenforceable stuff in an employment contract?

Are there any?

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Post by comp_throw7 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #224
thorum wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEV is one possible answer to this question that has been proposed. Wikipedia has a good short explanation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligen... And here is a more detailed explanation: https://intelligence.org/files/CEV.pdf

I had to login because I haven’t seen anybody reference this in like a decade. If I remember correctly the author unsuccessfully tried to get that purged from the Internet

You're thinking of something else (and "purged from the internet" isn't exactly an accurate account of that, either).
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