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Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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Yeah that’s one of them. There’s also often mercury - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.... I actually had a similar theory as to where egg allergies come from. Many vaccines have egg in them https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/how-fluvaccine-made.htm

I thought mercury isn't used anymore in vaccines?

Still used, just not recommended in vaccines for children under 6

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availabi...

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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Autism is not a disease. It's a diverging feature.

Some people are severely disabled by autism. Are you suggesting that we should just let them suffer?

It's not the autism that does any sort of disabling. If there are some sort of issues that are disabling someone's way to live normally, deal with them, but don't use autism as a label or call it a disease.

There's no "autism" as a "disease" that causes those symptoms.

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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Autism is not a disease. It's a diverging feature.

How do you square that with the severe cases of autism? The people who will never be able to live independently?

There are specific challenges every person in the World faces. Deal with these specific challenges. But don't group bunch of people as autistic and then go on to call it a disease. Many of the challenges are caused by the environment or flawed social expectations.

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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"Prevention strategies" As an autistic person, no thanks. Let people be autistic.

I understand the sentiment, but there's a reason it's called the autism spectrum. I work with several software engineers with autism who are as capable as their peers. Sure they may have behavioral quirks, but not significantly more so than the normal variation in human behavior. Their brains don't seem to work in an inferior or problematic way, just different. On the other hand, I have a close relative with more sev…

The problem is there's no such thing as "Autism". It's a survey and observation of behaviors that "oh you don't quite behave like we see 90%+ of people to behave socially, so you must have a disease. Let's call it autism."

You are talking as if Autism was some sort of virus that you catch and it disables some people a bit, and others a lot.

Some people have hard time, then deal with those people and help them, based on the symptoms, but don't say you have to prevent some made up label to group certain set of behaviors which many are perfectly happy to be with those set of behaviors and perhaps even proud to be thinking differently than most.

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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Here’s hoping. Autism is pure hell for some families. Unless of course self-declared leaders of the ‘neurodivergent community’ declare such efforts to be genocidal, modern eugenics, and so on. Relatedly, I was struck to see the recent breakthrough in curing congenital deafness condemned by members of the ‘deaf community’ on Twitter. So we unfortunately have good reason to expect the same kinds of folly here.

Mmm, that sounds rather uncharitable. While obviously Deaf people aren't a hivemind, I think people who are not Deaf (and fully-abled people in particular) should listen when they each speak for themselves instead of coming to broad conclusions of "folly". For me it began to click due to somewhat similar discussions I've had about my sight (I'm moderately myopic in both eyes and significantly astigmatic in one), wher…

I'm not trying to convince you that you should get LASIK if you don't want to, that's your prerogative, however:

- Anyone can wear glasses (or even contacts) for fashion, frames are sold without prescriptions. One can have glasses and perfect vision.

- People with 20/20 vision also have the option to wear glasses that make their vision worse for whatever reason, or see things closer to their nose.

The point of this comment wasn't to belittle your own choice to correct your vision or not, but to point out why someone might not understand your aversion to correcting it given those reasons.

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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> And that many common chronic disorders/illnesses (including ADHD, Autism, weight gain, etc) in our generation are actually attributable to a disfunctioning microbiome All of those things have existed for ... ever

They have. But I do not believe they were as common prior to the 1960s as they are in the 2020s.

Were they less common, or unknown/heavily stigmatized?

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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Of course society should become more accepting and accommodating of differently-abled people of all types. But can you really look at the extreme end of the Autism spectrum and say that isn't a disease or disorder? One reason we need this fundamental research is to disentangle the different types of afflictions and give them different names.

You don’t even have to go to the extreme end. Ask people with milder presentations, and they’ll be able to tell you about all sorts of confusing interactions and frustrating situations they’ve experienced that wouldn’t have happened if they were neurotypical. Hard to say that doesn’t impact their quality of life.

> You don’t even have to go to the extreme end. Ask people with milder presentations, and they’ll be able to tell you about all sorts of confusing interactions and frustrating situations they’ve experienced that wouldn’t have happened if they were neurotypical. Hard to say that doesn’t impact their quality of life.

Sure, I had rough childhood, but looking back, I wouldn't want to be someone else. The way my brain focuses and optimises for certain ideas actually benefits society if the environment is correct. There's only limited amount of processing power anyone can have. I just have less points for social and more for other areas that others don't have. Yet society expects us to normalize or consider it a disease. I'm now very successful and extremely proud where I have reached in life.

In my childhood I used to question why people didn't like me, if I had myself from now to guide myself, and create an environment for myself, I'm sure I would have had 100% happy childhood. And I know what and how to do if I ever had someone like myself as a kid, and it's not a disease.

The reason my childhood was terrible was EXACTLY because of expectation that everyone should behave like X, and that was just not me. So everyone tells me I have disease that needs to be fixed. It's disgusting.

I didn't finish high school because of all the issues I had, and spent years in depression, but as I happened to finally land in an environment that appreciated my differing thinking I was able to do exactly what my brain is suited for and make 8x+ average income in my area. I had passion as a kid, interest in weird things, but school and the social environment killed every little bit of it.

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I know of at least one book written by and for autistic people who advocates for a gluten free diet. They claim in the book that this significantly reduces their symptoms. I don’t know if I believe it or not, but the notion of gut-brain axis seems to imply that a good diet should help a bit, right?

There are studies showing positive health outcomes for ASD on a gluten free diet, as well as for epilepsy and schizophrenia. Here [1] is a comment with some links, the featured article might also be interesting.

I have a lot of food allergies and a restaurant in Maryland that specializes in restricted diets pointed some of the research out to me. You can find scores of families with ASD children who have found dietary interventions to be beneficial.

The studies I have seen talk about something called exorphins, it sounded like people with ASD's bodies treat gluten like an opiate.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39194978

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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"Prevention strategies" As an autistic person, no thanks. Let people be autistic.

I understand the sentiment, but there's a reason it's called the autism spectrum. I work with several software engineers with autism who are as capable as their peers. Sure they may have behavioral quirks, but not significantly more so than the normal variation in human behavior. Their brains don't seem to work in an inferior or problematic way, just different. On the other hand, I have a close relative with more sev…

or maybe your successful coworkers and your close relative have two completely distinct conditions that don’t actually exist along a continuum

Re: Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins

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There are two ways that something can lead to needing help with daily living: - society rejects the trait without good reason, so then someone needs help to deal with this rejection - the trait leads to an inability to do something that the person wants to do, irrespective of any societal concerns I am okay with calling the latter a disorder, but not the former. The traits that are recognized as part of autism (socia…

Do you always reply with definitions you invented on the spot to justify your view of reality?

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