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Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by macintux »

credit_guy wrote: post #68
huygens6363 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.

I never heard anyone complaining that Boeing did shoddy work before the merger with McDonnell Douglas in 1997.

I have read comments here which indicate that at least some believe Boeing's engineering decline was already underway by the time of the merger. Whether that was reflected in manufacturing, or whether that's even accurate, is beyond my knowledge.

However, it's definitely the case that the accusations exist.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by ornornor »

ceejayoz wrote: post #80
ornornor wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience they typically codeshare these flights and use the other airlines planes because theirs… can’t fly out of Africa.

That doesn't appear to be the case here; they have a pair of Airbus A330-900Neos for this purpose. https://flyairsenegal.com/en/air-senegal-usa-operations-upda... https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/09/06/air-senegal-flies-to-bal... has a photo of it on the ground at Toulouse, France. (It is apparently a wet lease, though.)

Nice!

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by matt-attack »

resolutebat wrote: post #20
IndySun wrote: post #6

Can the BBC reign in its news headline writers and reverse a fairly recent (5-10 years?) policy of juicing up what was 'unbiased' news? But in fact, I have a rose-tinted view of the BBC so I should just reign in my reactions instead.

What exactly is "juiced up" about "Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal"? I'd be hard put to craft a more neutral/factual/boring summary of what just happened. Update: Apparently "crash" is misleading here since the plane was never airborne, it aborted takeoff but veered off the runway and likely hit something since the wing caught fire.

Plus the out-of-nowhere reference to the door falling off a different plane. How is that related exactly?

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by resolutebat »

ornornor wrote: post #79
ceejayoz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, though, Air Senegal specifically currently flies to the US and EU.

In my experience they typically codeshare these flights and use the other airlines planes because theirs… can’t fly out of Africa.

Correct: Air Senegal's flights to the US use wet leased planes from Hi-Fly, a Portuguese charter airline that specializes in this kind of thing.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by addandsubtract »

huslage wrote: post #36
orbital-decay wrote: post #2

https://avherald.com/h?article=51867a11 > the crew rejected takeoff due to a hydraulic defect but veered left off the runway. The aircraft came to a stop on soft ground next to the Presidential Pavillion (about 2000 meters/6000 feet down the runway), the left wing briefly caught fire. All occupants evacuated via slides

Thank you for this. The plane didn’t “crash” or fall out of the sky. It rejected takeoff and left the runway.

So, a car driving into a ditch, didn't crash, it just rejected the road? A crash is a crash.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by tucosan »

huygens6363 wrote: post #37
Grimburger wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Air travel disaster rates are basically the same across the entire planet except Africa. You are 15x more likely to die in a plane crash there than anywhere else on Earth. GP comment is on point.

The same is true for basically everything in Africa. Just pointing out that Boeing pulled the same trick with the MAX and I think it’s in bad taste to start off with this line of reasoning. We don’t know. So we don’t know if it’s Africans being shady or not is all I’m saying. Let’s wait.

This was not a 737 Max, but a widely deployed model that is in use for decades. The likelihood that Boeing is at fault here is extremely slim. It is very likely that this was a piloting error or a maintenance issue, or a combination of both.

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Post by ninju »

addandsubtract wrote: post #85
huslage wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for this. The plane didn’t “crash” or fall out of the sky. It rejected takeoff and left the runway.

So, a car driving into a ditch, didn't crash, it just rejected the road? A crash is a crash.

A "crash" implies a collision with something. Per your example, a car can leave the road but when it collides with drainage ditch it becomes a crash

In this case there was NO COLLSION with another object and therefore no crash

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