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Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by seniorivn »

resolutebat wrote: post #18

Unsurprisingly, it's an old airframe (built 1994), operated by a state-owned African carrier: rarely a recipe for good maintenance. It's quite unlikely that Boeing is in any way to blame for this. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/387749

Airlines are strictly regulated by Boeing/Airbus/western institutions, this airlines wouldnt be able to fly to safe countries if their airplanes didnt pass regular official certifications, Boeing and Airbus provide that. The same way as pilots are certified by boeing and airbus to fly their planes

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by robin_reala »

resolutebat wrote: post #20
IndySun wrote: post #6

Can the BBC reign in its news headline writers and reverse a fairly recent (5-10 years?) policy of juicing up what was 'unbiased' news? But in fact, I have a rose-tinted view of the BBC so I should just reign in my reactions instead.

What exactly is "juiced up" about "Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal"? I'd be hard put to craft a more neutral/factual/boring summary of what just happened. Update: Apparently "crash" is misleading here since the plane was never airborne, it aborted takeoff but veered off the runway and likely hit something since the wing caught fire.

If a car veered off a motorway and hit something then caught fire then I’d be using the word “crash” in the headline.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by jandrese »

seniorivn wrote: post #31
resolutebat wrote: post #18

Unsurprisingly, it's an old airframe (built 1994), operated by a state-owned African carrier: rarely a recipe for good maintenance. It's quite unlikely that Boeing is in any way to blame for this. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/387749

Airlines are strictly regulated by Boeing/Airbus/western institutions, this airlines wouldnt be able to fly to safe countries if their airplanes didnt pass regular official certifications, Boeing and Airbus provide that. The same way as pilots are certified by boeing and airbus to fly their planes

True, but nobody is saying this aircraft's flight schedule ever left Africa. Rules are only rules where they are enforced.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by amelius »

ceejayoz wrote: post #14
amelius wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the Max have different MBAs behind it?

Some of the MBAs probably weren’t born when this specific plane was made. 737-300s stopped being built twenty four years ago.

Well, that's clear but that was not the question. I'm thinking about maintenance.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by switch007 »

IndySun wrote: post #6

Can the BBC reign in its news headline writers and reverse a fairly recent (5-10 years?) policy of juicing up what was 'unbiased' news? But in fact, I have a rose-tinted view of the BBC so I should just reign in my reactions instead.

They'll get right on that after bolstering their investigative journalism department, overthrowing the Tory cronies at the top, etc

Agree with reigning in your expectations!

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by huslage »

orbital-decay wrote: post #2

https://avherald.com/h?article=51867a11 > the crew rejected takeoff due to a hydraulic defect but veered left off the runway. The aircraft came to a stop on soft ground next to the Presidential Pavillion (about 2000 meters/6000 feet down the runway), the left wing briefly caught fire. All occupants evacuated via slides

Thank you for this. The plane didn’t “crash” or fall out of the sky. It rejected takeoff and left the runway.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by huygens6363 »

Grimburger wrote: post #30
huygens6363 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.

Air travel disaster rates are basically the same across the entire planet except Africa. You are 15x more likely to die in a plane crash there than anywhere else on Earth. GP comment is on point.

The same is true for basically everything in Africa.

Just pointing out that Boeing pulled the same trick with the MAX and I think it’s in bad taste to start off with this line of reasoning.

We don’t know. So we don’t know if it’s Africans being shady or not is all I’m saying. Let’s wait.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by jasonvorhe »

Grimburger wrote: post #30
huygens6363 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One, that’s not that old and shouldn’t be crashing on take-off and two, the narrative that it’s shady African carriers that are to blame is getting old. In fact, it’s exactly what Boeing always says right before they are in fact to blame.

Air travel disaster rates are basically the same across the entire planet except Africa. You are 15x more likely to die in a plane crash there than anywhere else on Earth. GP comment is on point.

African probably didn't have 2 whistleblowers die who wanted to expose a certain airplane manufacturer for skipping quality control and using unqualified materials in their planes.

Re: Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal

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Post by ceejayoz »

amelius wrote: post #34
ceejayoz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the MBAs probably weren’t born when this specific plane was made. 737-300s stopped being built twenty four years ago.

Well, that's clear but that was not the question. I'm thinking about maintenance.

The vast majority of maintenance is done by non-Boeing mechanics employed by airlines and their contractors.

They generally cheap out on it as much as they can get away with. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance...

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