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It’s a great question. I suggest reading up on what democracy really means in the modern world: https://chomsky.info/consent01/

I suggest avoiding reading anything by a guy that idolizes the Khmer Rouge.

That doesn’t sound like a thing Chomsky would do. I could imagine him saying that certain tactics were effective or certain aspects of their politics were notable, but I don’t see him as someone who idolizes anyone.

Do you have a source for this? To me this sounds like a misunderstanding, but I’m open to being shown otherwise.

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There's nothing undemocratic about banning foreign propaganda or news outlets. Illiberal maybe, but not undemocratic.

Freedom of the press is typically considered one of the tenets of a democracy. The vote becomes meaningless if voters cannot be informed, which includes having access to all possible points of view.

Again, liberalism.

If a supermajority opposes free press, it would be undemocratic to force it upon them.

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There's nothing undemocratic about banning foreign propaganda or news outlets. Illiberal maybe, but not undemocratic.

Sure there is. What hope do citizens have in exercising the right to vote if their leaders control what they can and cannot read and hear?

If the leaders do so based on majority opinion, that is democratic.

Too many people - usually Americans - confuse liberal democracy with democracy.

Liberal democracy is a phrase for a reason - and the liberal comes first for a reason!

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If worded in a way to prevent outright calls to violence, then yes.

Um. Had cops show up at the home of a child that was on a sports team of my daughter's. They were looking for her brother and took him in. Afterwards we spoke more to her mother and found out that users in game forums had told him he could make these kinds of comments and it was free speech as long it wasn't a call to violence. Well I don't know the legalities, but I do know he was never welcome back at that school.…

Minors essentially don't have the same rights as adults.

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Like anything coming from Gaza I have some doubts about how legit this data is. This list has 96 total in Gaza since the beginning of the war. So not 170. Many of the names use this reference: "97 journalists and media workers were confirmed dead: 92 Palestinian, 2 Israeli, and 3 Lebanese." https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... Is media worker always a journalist? The list seems in disagreem…

Are we all of a sudden still blindly trusting Wikipedia as a trustworthy-authoritative source because it's structured information? Here's an example of how the IDF treats people who are clearly journalists: Arguably behaviour of a Gestapo, no? The "wolves in clothing" aspect of this is quite the mind fuck once enough puzzle pieces come together and you realize what's realy going on; and where it makes sense that such…

I honestly can't follow the line of your argument. You say "truth" but then you say "different perspective". Which one? You say engage in long form conversation but you're not really engaging in conversation here. You say shatter the veil of the propagandist but you're engaging in propaganda yourself.

I commented here because the truth is not being told about the number of journalists killed in Gaza. That number is artificially inflated and used as propaganda. You're misdirecting to the family of Al Jazeera bureau chief. He was not killed by the way (you seem to imply he was). I don't know the circumstances related to that attack so I can't comment on it. Lots of innocent people were killed in this war and the blame lies squarely on Hamas.

Your comment about the hostages is intellectually unfair. Given Hamas' attack on Oct 7th it is Israel's right to eliminate that threat. Given the situation on the ground and the goal of minimizing casualties to your own side you're inevitably going to see something that looks very similar to what you've seen. There's no way to use massive military force against an enemy like Hamas under the conditions as they exist in Gaza without that.

But even ignoring that, do see you Hamas returning those hostages? There's precedence here, they've held Gilad Shalit for 5 years and they've been holding Avre Mengisto ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avera_Mengistu ) since 2014. Given the combination of the imperative to eliminate Hamas for Israel's security and the fact Hamas would not release hostages unless it is forced to then there's no a lot of wiggle room here. I'm pretty sure Israel is trying to avoid killing hostages which is probably why the Hamas leadership is still alive.

Your comparison to the Gestapo and the Nazis just shows me you know nothing about either. But hey, what else can we talk about on Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day. If you do want to compare someone to the Nazis try Hamas, a much better fit.

Unfortunately you can't "see the truth" from the comfort of your home on TikTok. You're seeing what some people want you to focus on. You need to step back, look at the whole picture, not just specific events, and use some critical thinking skills to fit everything, not just one event, to a reasonable theory of what is going on.

If you're interesting in how Hamas treats journalists here's some resources:

https://www.amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/gaza-hamas-must-end...

https://www.amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/gaza-journalist-fac...

You're likely not going to get any "truth" from any Palestinian in Gaza because they risk retribution for not toeing the Hamas line.

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From 100 000 before the islamic revolution to 8 000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews The ethnic cleansing isn't totally complete, but it's quite close. It's nice that the Ayatolla made a fatwa to protect them though. But if I were Jewish in Iran I would expect that protection to fall the second the Ayatolla dies.

I just knew someone would reply with a comment like this but foolishly I decided not to get ahead of it. Sure, there used to be more. Sure, there are obviously better places to be as a Jew. But ... I replied to the comment that said "there are no Jews in Iran" . There are Jews living in Iran. That's it.

Is kingofpandora also your account?

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> Palestinians use rape to terrorizing women's, did al Gezira report it?

Replace "Palestinians" with "Jews" in that sentence. It's pretty racist innit? Please be more careful.

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In fact, a series of Western media including the BBC, Reuters, CNN, etc. all have offices in China.... and you can also easily access Western media websites through VPN and other methods which are uncensored

VPNs increasingly don't work well, however, it's not like they completely turn a blind eye. It's some kind of statistical thing that drops connections that "look wierd" that can interfere with even quite obfuscated VPNs.

yeah, actually what I told 'VPN' is also included like SS/SSR/V2Ray/Xray/Trojan, which is easily gotten, and smooth link and you can even have a HK phone number and used the no GFW network in China.

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That's a bold assertion - do you have any evidence to support this? I find that they do plenty of great journalism, often bringing stories that don't make it into the english-language media via other outlets. For example, just from today an article on the fight for Iraqi waterway restoration: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/longform/2024/5/4/dont-be... In general, the Features page ( https://www.aljazeera.com/feat…

Well, Al Jazeera English is separate and a bit better than regular Al Jazeera. But look at their stories and the morals they try to show in there. It’s always garnering more support for Islamic causes. They infiltrated several Israeli and Jewish groups, and are funded by the Qatari government.

These governments are not okay. State sponsored tv from countries like Iran, Qatar, Russia are not okay. Not even when they report accurately, because of the bias in what and how they report.

Not saying western media like Fox News is any better, but yeah.

And that they ‘appear’ okay is precisely the biggest problem. If they are so fair; how many reports are pro Israe, or condemn Hamas’s actions? Is it zero? ;)

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