I don't agree with Israel censoring websites, but important to keep in mind Al Jazeera is run by Qatar which is a monarchy without real freedom of the press, it's not CNN. They have strong regional interests and an obvious desire to shape the narrative of the conflict. They're not humanitarians.
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Yes, and I'd say that was a dark day for the EU as well. Our democracies are now little more than a farce.
There's nothing undemocratic about banning foreign propaganda or news outlets. Illiberal maybe, but not undemocratic.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_i...
Like anything coming from Gaza I have some doubts about how legit this data is. This list has 96 total in Gaza since the beginning of the war. So not 170. Many of the names use this reference: "97 journalists and media workers were confirmed dead: 92 Palestinian, 2 Israeli, and 3 Lebanese." https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... Is media worker always a journalist? The list seems in disagreem…
Here's an example of how the IDF treats people who are clearly journalists:
Arguably behaviour of a Gestapo, no? The "wolves in clothing" aspect of this is quite the mind fuck once enough puzzle pieces come together and you realize what's realy going on; and where it makes sense that such deceit as a strategy, long-time, long-running, and long-form propaganda as a psychological manipulation strategy is the only way you can get to this stage of fascism that we're seeing with this current Israeli government.
Re: Interview with a journalist - https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6MFu5MNUoX/
Repeat behaviour, a pattern by Israel/IDF reminds me of this quotes that general go something like this: it's never the well-intentioned who want-demand censorship.
Conclusions,
We actually have the opportunity this time to stop this fascist regime in its tracks before 10s to 100s of millions of people die.
Unlike during NaZi Germany anyone who spoke up could quickly be visited by Gestapo, first reported on by 60%+ of their neighbours, and so were easily found.
Today with the internet that is still free enough - where information and evidence can rapidly be studied and curated before distribution - where there are simply too many people already who starting from the comfort of their own homes are able to see and share the truth, or at least present a different perspective - and ideally engage in long-form conversations and see if the person they're engaged with is intellectually honest or not, able to learn and incorporate new information when cognitive dissonance is triggered; there is still suppression going on as part of the "war"-control effort - an attempt to keep specific channels of indoctrinated ideologues kept in bubbles and "ideally" unexposed to questions and thought exercises that would start them down a line of thinking to shatter the veil of the propagandists.
BONUS: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C48GSaOuT5u/
- A short interview clip where it's mentioned that the Gaza bureau Chief of Al Jazeera - his wife, son, and daughter were killed in a strike; was it targeting the journalists' home and that's why it happened, or it was from their indiscriminante bombing of Gaza; which by the way, they're likely killing all of the hostages, too, right?
- So people who support these bombardments are also supporting killing their own citizens - "kill Hamas at all costs" seems to include murdering people that could have been you.
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After rt.com et al were blocked in the EU they also kept working for a few more week/months before I had to use a mirror/VPN to read the new paper of "the enemy". Side note: I though being able to read the news of the enemy was testimony to the moral high ground of a "modern free and democratic society". No more moral high ground if you are trying to shape the perception of the public with censorship.
> I though being able to read the news of the enemy was testimony to the moral high ground of a "modern free and democratic society". Sure, if you believe your own (or more accurately: most liberal democracies') propaganda. But it really depends on how invested that enemy is in convincing your citizens to side with it. It turns out that "freedom of speech" ultimately is a losing strategy against an enemy that's excel…
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Because they don't like anti-government point of views to become too widespread. In Italy the current defence minister is personally earning considerable amount of money by sending weapons to Ukraine, because he's also an owner and manager of companies that make said weapons. Do you think they'd want to favour open discussions? No. In fact besides RT being banned, they want to be able to block any website, giving pro…
> In Italy the current defence minister is personally earning considerable amount of money by sending weapons to Ukraine, because he's also an owner and manager of companies that make said weapons. FUD is the reason why Russian liars are banned from EU.
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Al Jazeera is not engaged in an "information war" against Israel. Al Jazeera is the major independent media organization operating in Gaza, and one of the main sources of accurate information about the conflict. That's what angers the Israeli government.
Can you show me at least 1 al jazeera article in arabic exposing and condemning oct 7? And at least 2 posts in arabic exposing some of hamas lies or expressing empathy and support to Israel? Even a single post calling hamas terrorists (or at least some of their actions a terrorist attack) would suffice to convince me.
2. I don't much care about what opinion pieces get published in Al Jazeera, or whether they meet your political demands. I care about the news reporting that Al Jazeera does from Gaza. On that score, Al Jazeera is the best source out there.
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> In order to make up your mind correctly you need to be feed accurate information. Haha. And we're going to let the government decide what is "correct" and "accurate"? Letting whoever is currently in power control what information the electorate has access to is one of the single biggest threats to democracy. > Al Jazeera making up causality figures in real-time isn’t how you make up your mind. The correct response…
Haha. And we're going to let the government decide what is "correct" and "accurate"? Ok, so how did all this unchecked exposure to propaganda workout for Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Palestine etc? Did it lead to some kind of "free thinking" utopia? Free speech hasn't been banned in Israel. Access to information hasn't been banned. What has been banned is a platform for foreign agents to easily negative influenc…
You did not think this argument through. None of the aforementioned countries have free press. They censor heavily.
In all of the above countries the government dictates what is "correct" and "accurate" information. News outlets saying anything else are shut down, banned, and journalists are sometimes jailed.
All of these non-democracies are afraid of free press. Is that the company Israel wants to keep in this matter?
> Access to information hasn't been banned [in Israel].
Al Jazeera is literally banned and blocked.
> We can't just have autocrats from foreign countries broadcasting nonsense, unabated to whoever wants to listen, else our society will look no different to those dystopias.
This defeatist argument leads to the conclusion that democracy cannot work. Democracy cannot work without free press, and according to you it cannot work if press is free from government interference.
Is that what we want to do? Give up?
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Genocide has a precise definition and has been codified in international law. I believe this internationally recognized definition mirrors what most people mean when they use the term. It does not necessitate the systemic killing of every person of a certain genetic identity. Genocide is outlined in the Genocide convention from 1948[1]. It is short so I’ll give you the whole definition here: > In the present Conventi…
The US has killed over 400,000 Iraqis since invading Iraq. Do you think that qualifies as genocide?
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Took the same path recently. Probably the easiest thing to point to if you're looking for something to convince people of Al Jazeera's nature, (besides specific articles), is the incredible amount of time and editorial space devoted to Yusuf al-Qaradawi on the arabic channel (before his death). The man had an audience of 60 million people for a decade and a half, and could reasonably be called the face of Al Jazeera…
> the incredible amount of time and editorial space devoted to Yusuf al-Qaradawi on the arabic channel (before his death). The man had an audience of 60 million people for a decade and a half, and could reasonably be called the face of Al Jazeera Arabic. He has caused a lot of problems through that platform that hopefuly only the most radicalized westerner won't view as monstrous. I don't know Arabic, but I am Muslim…
To me it just sounds that he's an expert in convincing people that it is god's will to implement his agenda. Taking the Quran as a source of absolute truth and then taking the further step of handing the reins of interpretation to some "preeminent scholar" is a recipe for exactly the kind of extremism that you see plaguing the Islamic world.
Your and my claims about what Qaradawi is are not mutually exclusive, and are in fact deeply correlated.