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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by Protostome »

loceng wrote: post #36
verdverm wrote: post #8

Reporters Without Borders gathers data and produces some interesting graphics. They recently released their World Press Freedom Index https://rsf.org/en https://rsf.org/en/country/israel --- edit: they appear to keep a list of mirrored news sites to circumvent censorship https://github.com/RSF-RWB/collateralfreedom (was hoping they had data available for their index, but have not found it yet) --- edit: the index has…

FTL: "... while more than 100 journalists were killed in six months in Gaza by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) ..." Anyone know where to find what the current accurate count of number of journalists killed in the Gaza bombardment to date? Last I heard it was 170. There are also journalists who lived but their whole family died in the strikes.

The border between journalists and militants is quite blurry in Gaza. Many of the so-called journalists actively participated in the 7/10 massacre.

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Post by caf »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk.

This is a fact best appreciated in the context of the Sunni-Shi'a sectarian divide.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by medo-bear »

mrtksn wrote: post #330
angra_mainyu wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

That's correct and IMHO its the right thing to do when shooting begins because when people shoot each other this is no longer a discussion and the press is part of the warfare. Remember all the Russian media and social media accounts claiming that its American hysteria that they will invade Ukraine? They denied and mocked anyone who claimed that they will invade up until the tanks rolled in. Personally, I'm critical…

It is at least the biggest insult to your adult citizens to say to them, "you are not allowed to read this because you are too stupid."

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Post by weatherlite »

no_exit wrote: post #245
verdverm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is unlikely that reliable numbers will come out of Gaza with the media blackout and two sides who both want to present information "favorably" At least until the war has subsided and independent orgs can gain access.

Gaza Health Ministry numbers are a reliable floor, as confirmed by numerous organizations like the US State Department. The real count probably above 100k dead so far.

No 10 millions at least

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by raverbashing »

xenospn wrote: post #582
runarberg wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genocide has a precise definition and has been codified in international law. I believe this internationally recognized definition mirrors what most people mean when they use the term. It does not necessitate the systemic killing of every person of a certain genetic identity. Genocide is outlined in the Genocide convention from 1948[1]. It is short so I’ll give you the whole definition here: > In the present Conventi…

The US has killed over 400,000 Iraqis since invading Iraq. Do you think that qualifies as genocide?

It isn't

The context of the convention needs to be understood in the general context and especially in the context of a war (though of course they don't "exist" only in that context). And wars are awful.

(not saying what Israel is doing is correct or even adequate - but generalizing terms helps nobody)

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Post by brabel »

jorvi wrote: post #364
forty wrote: post #355

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Maybe not for whole EU, but I read it was banned in France, and I can confirm I cannot reach it now (from France).

I did some further research and technically the EU has banned them, but only from being broadcasted and they are supposed to be DNS-blocked but failing to do so is without legal consequences. To me this is more a discouragement of promotion than any real ban, but I will edit my previous comment.

It seems in some EU countries you can still reach RT or BY.

Try one of these (none accessible to me in Sweden):

* https://sputnikglobe.com

* https://sputnik.by

* https://rt.com/

My wife is Belarussian and was upset she couldn't read her news, that's how I know they banned many websites. They didn't ban the "opposition" websites run from outside Russia/Belarus though :).

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Post by medo-bear »

jdietrich wrote: post #307
patall wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

RT, Sputnik and related Russian state media outlets are subject to sanctions in the EU, their broadcast licenses have been revoked and their channels have been removed from terrestrial, cable and satellite broadcasts. Their accounts on all major social media platforms are blocked. Their apps are no longer available on the Google or Apple stores. Europe doesn't have a Chinese-style Great Firewall, but EU countries hav…

> Europe doesn't have a Chinese-style Great Firewall, but EU countries have taken every reasonable step to prevent Russian state media from reaching EU audiences.

Because they think the EU audiances are stupid?

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Post by arp242 »

bottlepalm wrote: post #611
arp242 wrote: post #595

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> I don't support either side because both are wrong. That's only true if you view the "Israeli government" and "Hamas" as the only sides that exist. That is not the case; you don't need to choose either of them. Now, of course it's true that everyone has legitimate grievances here for all sorts of reasons, an it's also true that forever banging on about every little thing anyone has ever done wrong will lead to anot…

Right, that's my point. All of these protests have taken one of the two sides. Which has zero chance of resolving this. There aren't any protests pointing the finger at both these groups telling them to figure their shit out.

I think this is classic "you only hear the loudest people" type of thing. Everyone somewhere in the middle with more nuanced views will get piled on by the extremes from all sides. That does not mean those extremes are the only thing that exists, or represent the majority of people with views on the matter.

Extreme voices tend to drown out everyone else. I mean, what type of reasonable person has the energy and will to involve themselves in this toxic quagmire, right? The type of people willing to do so are strongly biased to people with Very Strong Views.

Trying to organise a protest around unfocused nuanced views is hard. "Free Palestine" is easy and straight-forward. "Hamas is wrong, but Israel should offer a solution for the people of Gaza that does not involve a de-facto concentration camp under military control" doesn't really fit on a billboard.

And lets also be realistic: yes, "both sides" have blame, but "both sides have blame" does not mean "both sides are equivalent". The people of Gaza are by and large powerless, and have been for a long time. The initiative for any solution really rests primarily on the Israeli side, who have been controlling much of life in Gaza for a long time now. The situation in Gaza and that Israel has never seriously offered any solution is frankly just disgraceful, and could only have ended in violence one way or the other sooner or later.

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