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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:33 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #237

dotancohen wrote: post #140

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Then let me go on record as saying that I fully support my government and my army's efforts to return the remaining hostages even in the face of double-standard world efforts to legitimize the genocidal, racist, homophobic, and misogynistic Hamas regime.

> in the face of double-standard world efforts to legitimize the genocidal, racist, homophobic, and misogynistic Hamas regime. I ask this question very genuinely: what world efforts are seeking to legitimize Hamas? I have seen a great many pro-Palestinian perspectives but have not seen anything pro- Hamas beyond fringe kooks. As for double standard… I think the reason you see the double standard is precisely because…

> what world efforts are seeking to legitimize Hamas?

No real efforts. But a surprising number of young people don't believe Israel has a right to exist.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:33 PM UTC

YZF wrote: post #126

NewJazz wrote: post #79

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Is Qatar a belligerent in the war? Belarus has allowed Russia to use their territory as a point from which to launch both ground assaults and missiles into Ukraine. Hard to say the same about Qatar and Hamas. If Al Jazeera were an Iranian publication the comparison might be more similar. Israeli news reports and analysts say Qatar has sent more than $1 billion to Gaza over the past decade. Qatar sent that aid through…

Qatar is not exactly a belligerent but it hosts the Hamas leadership. It has been funding Hamas and other groups. It (partly) funds Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is considered by some to be its PR/Propaganda arm and has a low standard for factual reporting - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by kelthuzad » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #221

kelthuzad wrote: post #211

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>> the world seeing israel as an illegitimate pariah state >Your other claims are true. This one is not. I should have phrased that more precisely but I was just judging by what Israel's ministry of hasbara itself seems to be most concerned with and fears the most is people questioning israel's legitimacy. Combined with the sentiment that can be seen across social media where even regular folks have started seeing is…

> the sentiment that can be seen across social media where even regular folks have started labelling israel as a racist settler colonial project that has no legitimacy A majority of Americans support Israel's war [1]. An overwhelming majority believe Israel has a right to exist [2]. (The exception being 18 to 24-year olds, among whom 31% believe Israel does not.) Israel has faced practically zero actual diplomatic co…

>A majority of Americans support Israel; that fraction has actually grown recently [1]

America is a special case and does not represent the regular folks of the world because it's home to the strongest israeli lobby on the planet and their supporters are mostly die-hard evangelicals for whom no evil israel does is too far.

Just listen to Jonathan Greenblatt's admission in the leaked[1] conversation where he verbatim states: “We have a major, major, major generational problem, All the polling I’ve seen: the ADL’s polling, ICC’s polling, independent polling, suggests that this is not a left, right gap folks. The issue of the United States’ support of Israel is not left and right. It is young and old.”

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bec4z5/...

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by angra_mainyu » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #150

"and block its websites." So this keeps Israelis from reading Al Jazeera. Now that's new. Israel started Internet censorship in 2017.[1] Initially it was limited to "terror group websites, online illegal gambling, prostitution services, hard drug sales". At the time, "due to warnings from rights groups that the law poses a slippery slope toward additional censorship, the final version of the legislation dictates that…

Europe has done the same with Russia.

Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by no_exit » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:35 PM UTC

verdverm wrote: post #59

loceng wrote: post #36

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FTL: "... while more than 100 journalists were killed in six months in Gaza by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) ..." Anyone know where to find what the current accurate count of number of journalists killed in the Gaza bombardment to date? Last I heard it was 170. There are also journalists who lived but their whole family died in the strikes.

It is unlikely that reliable numbers will come out of Gaza with the media blackout and two sides who both want to present information "favorably" At least until the war has subsided and independent orgs can gain access.

Gaza Health Ministry numbers are a reliable floor, as confirmed by numerous organizations like the US State Department. The real count probably above 100k dead so far.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by dotancohen » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:35 PM UTC

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #46

If I was Jewish I'd be very upset of what is being done in my name. The Israeli government, by insisting any criticism is antisemitic, is equating Judaism with its own actions. With their existing extreme, brazen and opportunistic behavior they're slowly mainstreaming antisemitism as outrage grows at the government and people accept being called 'antisemitic' if they oppose it. It's a tragedy for Jews. I don't say th…

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

NewJazz wrote: post #185

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #156

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Israel's war aims have transparently been about both returning the hostages and removing Hamas from power.

I am just pointing out that Israel isn't planning on agreeing to a ceasefire anytime soon. They'll probably need to have new elections.

> Israel isn't planning on agreeing to a ceasefire anytime soon

A permanent one, no. But that wasn't ever on the table. A multi-week ceasefire is absolutely still on the table in exchange for hostages.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by arp242 » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #9

@dang -- you're not going to get the polite, respectful conversation on this topic that I think you're hoping for. Instead, you're going to get criticisms on the legitimacy of each organization involved in this conflict. I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews.

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by afavour » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #238

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #203

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> Then let me go on record as saying that I fully support my government and my army's efforts to return the remaining hostages [...] This is a common talking point that makes no sense when you think about it. Could you please explain how you envision the hostage release to be achieved through bombing and systematic destruction of the area that they are held in? It sounds much more likely to kill them instead. Why not…

> Could you please explain how you envision the hostage release to be achieved through bombing and systematic destruction of the area that they are held in? It sounds much more likely to kill them instead. Why not simply negotiate a hostage exchange? That presumes that there is something hamas wants that is viable for israel to give them. Its far from obvious that is the case in this conflict. Its not like "carrot an…

> That presumes that there is something hamas wants that is viable for israel to give them. Its far from obvious that is the case in this conflict.

If that’s true (and I agree that it may well be) then surely Israel’s army’s efforts can’t be in aid of hostage release, because it’s an entirely unattainable goal?

I think that’s what the OP is getting at. The tactics we see don’t seem like they’d be effective ways to rescue hostages. Nor does it feel all that viable to persuade Hamas to release the hostages. So what are the current tactics in aid of?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by flumpcakes » Sun, May 05, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

flandish wrote: post #204

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Doesn't that depend on what you say 'zionism' is? If the definition of Zionism is just "a safe place" or "a country for" Jewish people, isn't that antisemitic to be anti-zionist? You don't want anywhere for Jewish people?

It seems everyone is saying something different and when I see things like:

> Literally anything zionism does needs to be questioned and called out

I worry that we're glossing over lots of things with a wide brush.