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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #278
siva7 wrote: post #13

I've recently visited my parents in europe. I have no affiliations with Israel or Jews. My parents watched a local Al-Jazeera channel in their mother tongue since Qatar seems to strategically deploy satellite offices of Al-Jazeera in different countries, even european. Boy was i shocked at the level of propaganda from this channel. Basically all day in big letters "genocide in gaza" with anti-jewish paroles. I can un…

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> is a genocide...It’s ICJ’s

No, it is not. The ICJ said Israel must "take action to prevent acts of genocide" [1][2].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-worl...

[2] https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by whatshisface »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

>Why would you allow that to continue in your country?

We have a constitution that protects our rights, and among them a right to make up our minds on the basis of an uncensored discourse. That's the other, implicit half of the first amendment: the right to listen to what others want to tell you.

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Post by so_delphi »

flumpcakes wrote: post #263
SauciestGNU wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDF also kills journalists for sport (Shireen Abu-Akleh comes to mind).

That seems very reductive to just say that as if it is a fact. 90% of the claims I've seen about the IDF end up being just nonsense. I did pay very close attention to what happened with Shireen Abu-Akleh and I think that was definitely not dealt with in a satisfactory way.

"not dealt with in a satisfactory way" is exactly the justification that IDF has used after many similar circumstances. Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions.

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arp242 wrote: post #248
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #9

@dang -- you're not going to get the polite, respectful conversation on this topic that I think you're hoping for. Instead, you're going to get criticisms on the legitimacy of each organization involved in this conflict. I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews.

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by yonixw »

adhamsalama wrote: post #293
yonixw wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way. I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies a…

Do you have a source that it was a Hamas missile, or do you simply spread Israeli lies?

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...

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Post by jdietrich »

patall wrote: post #280
angra_mainyu wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

RT, Sputnik and related Russian state media outlets are subject to sanctions in the EU, their broadcast licenses have been revoked and their channels have been removed from terrestrial, cable and satellite broadcasts. Their accounts on all major social media platforms are blocked. Their apps are no longer available on the Google or Apple stores. Europe doesn't have a Chinese-style Great Firewall, but EU countries have taken every reasonable step to prevent Russian state media from reaching EU audiences.

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-rt-sputnik-illegal-eu...

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre/2022/ofcom-revokes-rt-b...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/01/youtube...

https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-google-blocks-r...

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Post by mupuff1234 »

keefle wrote: post #252
cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk. If I recall Egypt partially did that after the military coup, and some Gulf countries. None of which are known for being kind to criticism. So this point is more validating of Aljazeera's position as relatively honest journalism in the a region full of dictatorships and corrupt governments.

I wouldn't say it's validating, just not necessarily invalidating.

Regardless, a news organizing funded by a monarchy not exactly known for its human and civilian rights mostly like has an agenda beyond "honest journalism".

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Post by angra_mainyu »

patall wrote: post #280
angra_mainyu wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.

rt.com and their twitter are blocked.

How are you not aware of this? It's been a few years already.

The EU ruled on this.

https://paste.pics/4b60ebef97d3b7fbb6aba74637c2e818

https://paste.pics/0cb2ae98754165dad5cf086e75c4cc31

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Post by jolj »

adhamsalama wrote: post #293
yonixw wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way. I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies a…

Do you have a source that it was a Hamas missile, or do you simply spread Israeli lies?

AP: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hos...

CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigat...

Economist: https://www.economist.com/interactive/the-economist-explains...

Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-h...

WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital...

Also worth reading this document straight from Hamas: https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1774437234579558643

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