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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by juunpp »

dang wrote: post #12
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #9

@dang -- you're not going to get the polite, respectful conversation on this topic that I think you're hoping for. Instead, you're going to get criticisms on the legitimacy of each organization involved in this conflict. I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews.

Having spent entire days moderating previous threads on this topic, I know what kind of conversation we're likely to get. But abandoning discussion altogether is also not an option. > I don't understand why you even want this topic on HackerNews. I don't think I'd say 'want' (what I want is to spend Sunday afternoons working on something else), but the issue is the principles by which we moderate the site. If you loo…

> what I want is to spend Sunday afternoons working on something else

You are deceiving yourself, dang. You cherish every single second of it.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by SauciestGNU »

flumpcakes wrote: post #266
SauciestGNU wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's unlawful in the United States, whose values Israel purportedly represents. It's called "prior restraint".

Are you saying the United States would not block something being reported by the media? Because that is certainly false.

There is not legal mechanism for that to occur unless the writer is a government employee

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by eganist »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

This is a loaded argument that requires citations. Since you're making the claim, can you please link specific articles from the Arabic site that make your point? As well as linking which Arab countries banned it and when?

It's easy to just claim something, but it's crucial to back your point up front when it's particularly sensitive so as to not inadvertently spread misinformation. You may be correct, but that's why the citations are needed.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #259
cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas. > > It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk. > > Why would you allow that to continue in your country? Especially when you have, in your country, about 20% of muslim arabs, most of which being israelo-palestinians ( i.e . palestinians…

> last thing they'd want, in addition to fighting both Hamas and Hezbollah, would be an uprising of the israelo-palestinians who live in Israel

You're talking about Israeli citizens. The way you keep them from uprising is by giving them political power. (I also see no evidence any uprising is imminent.)

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by adhamsalama »

jolj wrote: post #186
beyondCritics wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you back up the implied claims with some references?

Not parent, but: 1. False report about IDF rape https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jazeera-report-alleging-idf... 2. Arabic vs English Al Jazeera, conflicting messages https://english.alarabiya.net/News/gulf/2017/10/01/Al-Jazeer... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/aljazeer... 3. Al Jazeera reporters doubling as Hamas members https://www.timesofisrael.com/wounded-al-jazeera-reporter-in... https://www.…

Al Jazeera is biased. Source: my biased side.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by TacticalCoder »

cjk2 wrote: post #176

Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there. In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further upr…

> Also the entire point of Al Jazeera was for Qatar to provide political influence...

FWIW it's what Qatar does. They've also been caught the hand in the cookie jar bribing EU officials:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kaili

She's a MEP and yet went on to defend Qatar as a bastion of democracy (!). Close to a million EUR was found in cash at her apartment: which probably helped defend a country where the official law is the Sharia law as a bastion of democracy.

War is ugly but religious extremism is ugly too, especially when it's financed by a shitload of oil.

People would do well to wonder who's financing all these "grassroots" movements in the EU and the US defending people who voted in power a terrorist organization who swore by the death of Israel.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by adhamsalama »

TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #178
beyondCritics wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you back up the implied claims with some references?

1. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israe... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY this was proven false by many sources other than Israel 2. You can just google Al Jazeera Arabic anti Israel propaganda and you will find more content to read and watch than you can do in your life time 3. https://www.timesofisrael.com/wounded-al-jazeera-reporter-in... https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israe…

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Post by emadabdulrahim »

siva7 wrote: post #13

I've recently visited my parents in europe. I have no affiliations with Israel or Jews. My parents watched a local Al-Jazeera channel in their mother tongue since Qatar seems to strategically deploy satellite offices of Al-Jazeera in different countries, even european. Boy was i shocked at the level of propaganda from this channel. Basically all day in big letters "genocide in gaza" with anti-jewish paroles. I can un…

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Post by Hoasi »

lukan wrote: post #119
_Microft wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's neither surprising nor necessarily bad. Just think of how Russia Today was spreading disinformation and propaganda about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Banning them from the EU was certainly in our interest.

"Banning them from the EU was certainly in our interest." It is not in my interest, to become more like authorian russia for the sake of fighting them.

Exactly. It’s undemocratic. It’s also unwise strategically.

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Post by patall »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #244
Animats wrote: post #150

"and block its websites." So this keeps Israelis from reading Al Jazeera. Now that's new. Israel started Internet censorship in 2017.[1] Initially it was limited to "terror group websites, online illegal gambling, prostitution services, hard drug sales". At the time, "due to warnings from rights groups that the law poses a slippery slope toward additional censorship, the final version of the legislation dictates that…

Europe has done the same with Russia. Also, I think a few other Arab countries like Egypt have blocked/banned Al Jazeera.

Do you have examples for Europe blocking Russia? Because all I have seen is DNS providers omitting certain sites (i.e RT), but their apps still work (plus URLs when using other DNS). An nothing of that coming from the nation states as all seems to be due to the activities of private companies doing these things.
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