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Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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I don't feel good about this at all, but please keep in mind that there is still serious independent journalism in Israel. And it's doing very well. For example I can recommend pretty much anything published by Haaretz, or Barak Ravid. We should monitor the health of their domestic media should things start going un-democratic there. After all nothing can replace domestic media, this is painfully clear in the case of…

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Is there anyone else who doesn't support either side of this conflict? They've been fighting each other for over 100 years. They both want the same piece of land. It's on them to figure it out. People around the world don't need to 'pick a side'. We can protest for both sides to sort their shit out, and not drag the rest of us into it.

I'd say quite a lot of people are not particularly invested in any "side" but are repulsed by obvious war crimes. What makes this situation uniquely toxic is how America and most of its allies vehemently insist on total impunity for the crimes of one side.

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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On the other extreme, Are media that spread misinformation without any due process are just protected indefinitely? Like in this very recent case: https://honestreporting.com/damage-done-how-al-jazeeras-fake... Edit: haaretz link: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-0...

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Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Is Qatar a belligerent in the war? Belarus has allowed Russia to use their territory as a point from which to launch both ground assaults and missiles into Ukraine. Hard to say the same about Qatar and Hamas. If Al Jazeera were an Iranian publication the comparison might be more similar. Israeli news reports and analysts say Qatar has sent more than $1 billion to Gaza over the past decade. Qatar sent that aid through…

Since when is the entire Europe a party in the war on Ukraine?

I didn't say that, and the matter is irrelevant to the status of Russia and Belarus and their media outlets.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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In July 2017, former CIA director David Petraeus revealed that Qatar has hosted the Hamas leadership at the request of US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terr...

> Petraeus revealed that Qatar has hosted the Hamas leadership at the request of US Sure. Hence why I qualified my statement with "continuing." Doha hosting Hamas in '17 was fine. Doha hosting them after October 7 is fair to criticise.

Discovering that request surprised me, it strikes me as pragmatic and forward thinking; it also suggests that Qatar is rather keen to accede to US requests. Has that US policy changed now? If so I would have expected Qatar to expel.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Just a point about Al Jazeera that is worth mentioning. There are two Al Jazeeras. One which is presented to Western audiences and one which is presented to Middle-Eastern audiences. The media and articles are politically aligned in each region. Don't assume what you read in the US/UK/wherever is the same as over there.

In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas. Also the entire point of Al Jazeera was for Qatar to provide political influence through media, not as an unbiased news agency.

It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk.

Why would you allow that to continue in your country?

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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post #117
post #60

I don't feel good about this at all, but please keep in mind that there is still serious independent journalism in Israel. And it's doing very well. For example I can recommend pretty much anything published by Haaretz, or Barak Ravid. We should monitor the health of their domestic media should things start going un-democratic there. After all nothing can replace domestic media, this is painfully clear in the case of…

There are also many other foreign journalists in Israel. Other than Al Jazeera there are no restrictions on foreign media from operating in Israel. Certainly not western foreign media.

> Israel’s military can continue barring foreign journalists from accessing the Gaza Strip, the High Court said Monday, citing ongoing security concerns after months in which only Gazans or correspondents accompanied by the army have been able to report from inside the enclave.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/high-court-says-israel-can-kee...

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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We can draw the line when they report proven false information and never apologize for reporting so. We can draw the line when they say one thing on English Al Jazeera and another on Arabic Al Jazeera. We can draw the line when their reporters were (since then eliminated) active member of Hamas rocket teams.

Can you back up the implied claims with some references?

1. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israe..., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY this was proven false by many sources other than Israel

2. You can just google Al Jazeera Arabic anti Israel propaganda and you will find more content to read and watch than you can do in your life time

3. https://www.timesofisrael.com/wounded-al-jazeera-reporter-in... https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-accuses-al-jazeera-jo...

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Yeah, I'm totally with you. At this point it's like the Hatfields and the McCoys. I don't care what was the last thing the other guy did - he did it to get back at you for the second to last thing you did. On the other hand, killing children is always wrong. Fucking stop it.

A man comes into your house. His 2-year old is in a baby carrier on his chest. He has a gun and is firing at you. Your wife and 5 year old son are behind you on the couch, and you have a gun too. Do you shoot back? Did you just hesitate? A bullet just scraped your wife on the side of the leg. Hesitated again? Son just got a bullet in his arm. You fire three bullets. The baby is dead and so is the intruder. Are you in…

> baby is dead and so is the intruder....Are you in the wrong here?

Yes, what was done is wrong. It might be justified, even forgivable. But it's still wrong.

Re: Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices

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Not that political discussion should not be had, but this has nothing to do with HN at all.

'Freedom of speech' as a topic is interesting to HN and has an obvious Information Technology angle. It is probably the one that skirts the edge the most though.
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