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Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

My Win11 upgrade broke the partition on one of my drives that was formatted as ReFS. I was able to fix it with a one liner that read the metadata and updated the ReFS version. But until it was fixed it was thrashing my HDD and explorer would crash because it was trying to read the disk.

Other than that, not terrible. But then again, I just use my windows install for gaming and dual boot into Ubuntu for anything research related.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by crtasm »

andix wrote: post #114
crtasm wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are excluding recent (maybe also current?) hardware, unnecessarily.

Yes, they are, but that's not related to the version number. Things like that also happened before on a smaller scale with windows 10 updates.

I make no comment on version numbers. It sounded like you were saying they're only dropping support for old hardware, which is not the case.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by npteljes »

quchen wrote: post #7

I’m wondering, what keeps Windows afloat? I’ve become a Windows person in my childhood, and stayed one because games, Photoshop and 3DS Max ran on it. I’ve long switched to Linux (and dual-boot to a very much unloved Win10 for games that don’t run on Linux these days), and I’m baffled that ads occurring in the start menu are a thing – I was similarly shocked when Ubuntu tried this, and will always be cautious around…

Same as how they gained the market share in the first place - deals with sellers, businesses, governments. In some places, it was more expensive to not bundle Windows with a new laptop than to bundle it. Governments were given deals, support and bribes to build their infra on Microsoft products, including teaching Windows, Office in schools. And in the meantime, competition was stifled by any means necessary.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by raxxorraxor »

Xeamek wrote: post #21
FredPret wrote: post #4

I paid money Windows 10 when Microsoft said "this is the last version of Windows - only updates from here on". When they announced work on Windows 11, I switched platforms. It didn't help that the Windows 10 updates were incredibly obnoxious, restarting my computer regardless of overnight compute tasks I had running.

I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. It's not really much different then 'w10 updates forever', just marketing with new version.

> I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system.

Depends on how you have formatted your harddrive. If you used MBR instead of GPT Windows will shamelessly claim that 11 isn't compatible with your hardware. Which is a whole lot of bullshit and will probably lead to a whole lot of waste.

It has the advantage that Windows 10 completely stops bugging you about upgrading though.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by raxxorraxor »

andix wrote: post #99
_aavaa_ wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the comment a few levels up about windows 10 literally promising to be the last version of windows and only updates from now on.

Technically Windows 11 is an update of Windows 10. Look at the version number. It's 10.0.x.x. And seriously, nobody ever promised there will be updates for old hardware for eternity.

The hardware requirements are arbitrary though. It is more of a severe shortcoming of the OS because they want to enforce certain machine DRM.

And certainly not because of security, that wasn't a priority at Microsoft.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by antisthenes »

legitster wrote: post #107
antisthenes wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages about ads or bloatware or changed layouts, but I found all of the defaults and settings relatively easy to change - if anything easier to find than even Windows 10. The answer is very simple - you're just not a power user. You probably use email and a bunch of other specific apps and don't spend a significant amount of time in the OS (and configuring it). That's not a…

I get your point, but it's going to be impossible to change anything and maintain every single person's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/

> I get your point, but it's going to be impossible to change anything and maintain every single person's workflow:

A configurable OS is harder and more expensive to maintain for MS and developers, so the trend is to reduce it in order to fit the 90% of the use cases and throw the 10% (arbitrary numbers) of workflows out.

Can't really blame them, but just so people understand the frustrations of others.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by trog »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #101
quchen wrote: post #7

I’m wondering, what keeps Windows afloat? I’ve become a Windows person in my childhood, and stayed one because games, Photoshop and 3DS Max ran on it. I’ve long switched to Linux (and dual-boot to a very much unloved Win10 for games that don’t run on Linux these days), and I’m baffled that ads occurring in the start menu are a thing – I was similarly shocked when Ubuntu tried this, and will always be cautious around…

Compatibility. I am sorry but Linux and compatibility is like oil and water. I can create a Windows binary and it works on Windows 7, 10, 11 no problem. On Linux I need to pack it in different formats for different distros - AppImage, Snap, Deb, Rpm, ... and then solve compatibility issues between different versions of glibc in different versions of Linux. So much work for so little gain.

I have a Windows binary I compiled I think in 1997 or 1998 and the same binary still works fine on my PC today.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by trog »

FredPret wrote: post #76
bruce343434 wrote: post #5

I am glad people seem to be aware of the hostilities against them, and are voting with their feet. However, we are talking about a single percent point. Holding my breath. If people seriously put up with win11, I can only see it getting worse.

The people here are also the ones who tell grandma which computer to buy. You need mass market adoption, but you really also need the "developers! developers! developers!" (or sub "power users" for "developers") [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

Yep. And I don't tell my relatives to buy Windows any more. I'm not a Google cheerleader but Chromebook is my number 1 choice if people need a basic machine to do webstuff and I want to have zero to do with its maintenance.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by andix »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #91
andix wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a decade old rule: don't upgrade to the next windows version before the first Service Pack is released.

Dude, it's not 2014. Decade*s* old rule!

Tell me I’m getting old without telling me I’m getting old. Thanks! ;)
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