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Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by _aavaa_ »

andix wrote: post #64
_aavaa_ wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you happen to have a CPU which isn't supported, like those still being made at the time when w11 was released. High end cpus too.

Even with most unsupported CPUs you can upgrade to Windows 11. (edit: I think everything newer than 1st gen Intel core is still working) And there is not one piece of software I know of, that promises infinite support time. Windows 10 keeps its promised EOL dates.

See the comment a few levels up about windows 10 literally promising to be the last version of windows and only updates from now on.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by FredPret »

Xeamek wrote: post #21
FredPret wrote: post #4

I paid money Windows 10 when Microsoft said "this is the last version of Windows - only updates from here on". When they announced work on Windows 11, I switched platforms. It didn't help that the Windows 10 updates were incredibly obnoxious, restarting my computer regardless of overnight compute tasks I had running.

I mean, you can upgrade from w10 to w11 for free, without reinstalling full system. It's not really much different then 'w10 updates forever', just marketing with new version.

I feel Microsoft's main value add is (was?) their business focus. The system is meant for getting things done, and has backward compatibility both for files and for ways of working.

But then with Windows 8, things changed. Suddenly there's two control panels, the interface is totally different, and many more things. They shifted the paradigm on me.

But I have the same Turing machine as before. I'm doing the same types of tasks as before. Why do I have to do it differently? Now my work comes with the additional mental overhead of dealing with the Win 7 to Win 8 shift.

But I was willing to go along, thinking they'd eventually iron out the kinks and then things would work better than before. Win 10 seemed to be a step in the right direction.

So when they changed everything around again, I was done.

Others may see it differently.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by FredPret »

Xeamek wrote: post #49
_aavaa_ wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you happen to have a CPU which isn't supported, like those still being made at the time when w11 was released. High end cpus too.

Sure, but even we stayed with w10 naming, we would still get an update with stricter requirements eventually

I'm willing to buy a new computer every couple of years, but not to learn a new operating system.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by runjake »

andix wrote: post #64
_aavaa_ wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you happen to have a CPU which isn't supported, like those still being made at the time when w11 was released. High end cpus too.

Even with most unsupported CPUs you can upgrade to Windows 11. (edit: I think everything newer than 1st gen Intel core is still working) And there is not one piece of software I know of, that promises infinite support time. Windows 10 keeps its promised EOL dates.

You can but it requires third-party hacks (Eg. Rufus. Microsoft removed it's first-party hacks to allow it).

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by runjake »

djaychela wrote: post #28

Does anyone who works on Windows read HN? I'm just wondering as I nearly only see negative comments about it (particularly about the user-hostile features such as advertising and so on), and I wonder how anyone who works on this thinks that it's a good idea. It would kinda be OK if it was free... but it's not - it's expensive, IMO. I've had to buy Windows 11 for the last two PCs I built for friends, and Pro was £140.…

Brandon Leblanc is on Twitter at https://twitter.com/brandonleblanc

I feel he sees the negative comments, but it's not a concern of his.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by FredPret »

bruce343434 wrote: post #5

I am glad people seem to be aware of the hostilities against them, and are voting with their feet. However, we are talking about a single percent point. Holding my breath. If people seriously put up with win11, I can only see it getting worse.

The people here are also the ones who tell grandma which computer to buy. You need mass market adoption, but you really also need the "developers! developers! developers!" (or sub "power users" for "developers") [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by steve1977 »

albertopv wrote: post #52
legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

It's not fine. File explorer context menu, taskbar, it was a half baked OS when first released. It improved, but they shouldn't have release it as it was. Taskbar is still a mess, sometimes I have to reboot to get it working again. And still I can't move on the side.

For the taskbar, usually just restarting explorer.exe should do the trick.

Open Task Manager, search for explorer.exe or Windows Explorer, right-click and restart.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by samiru »

sublinear wrote: post #54
djaychela wrote: post #28

Does anyone who works on Windows read HN? I'm just wondering as I nearly only see negative comments about it (particularly about the user-hostile features such as advertising and so on), and I wonder how anyone who works on this thinks that it's a good idea. It would kinda be OK if it was free... but it's not - it's expensive, IMO. I've had to buy Windows 11 for the last two PCs I built for friends, and Pro was £140.…

The people working on Windows are unlikely to be the people making any business decisions. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out a good chunk of the product negativity is from Windows devs themselves!

To me this Windows hate feels like a form of a group think. But I find myself on the sidelines on many other issues, too.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by gausswho »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #69
fidotron wrote: post #18

Valve have done the world a huge favour with their work enabling Steam and PC gaming on linux. Windows 11 is so outright irritating I do not know how anyone could choose to use it. For most purposes KDE is a better Windows facsimile than Windows 11 is. It is a shame the general audio story on Linux remains such a mess and so the non Mac DAW and video crowd remain hostage to the whims of MS.

The wayland transition hasn't done linux any favors, but thankfully most distributions are slow rolling that change.

a slow roll would be delaying the inevitable and holding back linux as a windows alternative. fortunately no relevant distro is doing what you describe.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by _aavaa_ »

Xeamek wrote: post #49
_aavaa_ wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you happen to have a CPU which isn't supported, like those still being made at the time when w11 was released. High end cpus too.

Sure, but even we stayed with w10 naming, we would still get an update with stricter requirements eventually

Eventually is the operative word there.

Windows 11 dropped 6 years after windows 10. And at the time it didn't support top of the line CPUs from 2 years ago.

Contrast that with Ubuntu which talked about dropping support for x86-v1 only 5 months ago[0].

[0]: https://ubuntu.com/blog/optimising-ubuntu-performance-on-amd...

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