Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining • Hacker News Board

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by TheLoafOfBread » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:02 PM UTC

quchen wrote: post #7

I’m wondering, what keeps Windows afloat? I’ve become a Windows person in my childhood, and stayed one because games, Photoshop and 3DS Max ran on it. I’ve long switched to Linux (and dual-boot to a very much unloved Win10 for games that don’t run on Linux these days), and I’m baffled that ads occurring in the start menu are a thing – I was similarly shocked when Ubuntu tried this, and will always be cautious around…

Compatibility. I am sorry but Linux and compatibility is like oil and water. I can create a Windows binary and it works on Windows 7, 10, 11 no problem. On Linux I need to pack it in different formats for different distros - AppImage, Snap, Deb, Rpm, ... and then solve compatibility issues between different versions of glibc in different versions of Linux. So much work for so little gain.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by andix » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:02 PM UTC

readthenotes1 wrote: post #90

andix wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with most unsupported CPUs you can upgrade to Windows 11. (edit: I think everything newer than 1st gen Intel core is still working) And there is not one piece of software I know of, that promises infinite support time. Windows 10 keeps its promised EOL dates.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Windows 10 EOL is coming in October '25. So either it's replacing the hardware or running Windows 11 on unsupported CPUs. Or not running Windows at all.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by lyk2005 » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

jsnell wrote: post #88

Here's a wild idea: how about we accept that the Statcounter data just isn't any good, should not be used as the basis of any kind of journalism, and definitely shouldn't be amplified by social media? It's incredibly flaky and volatile data gathered by a tracking company with undisclosed methodology. It's rare that a month goes by without clickbait articles about small fluctuations in the data showing up on HN. And t…

Good observation since computers are bought and used for considerable amount of time, it leads to changes with momentum with slowly growing or declining market shares without spikes.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by antisthenes » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:13 PM UTC

legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

> I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages about ads or bloatware or changed layouts, but I found all of the defaults and settings relatively easy to change - if anything easier to find than even Windows 10.

The answer is very simple - you're just not a power user. You probably use email and a bunch of other specific apps and don't spend a significant amount of time in the OS (and configuring it).

That's not a bad thing. It's just how you use it for your workflow.

But please understand that power users work with the OS differently.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by lyk2005 » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:14 PM UTC

loeg wrote: post #23

Is there any way to buy a new legit Windows 10 install today?

I'm curious why, in 2024, anyone would want to buy a legit copy of Windows 10. Nearly every device comes with 10/11 preinstalled, and if for some reason it doesn't there are ways around that :)

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by magicalhippo » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

sublinear wrote: post #65

magicalhippo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At work we write a CRUD-ish B2B application, and it started its life on Windows so is a Win32 application. We're working on transitioning to the web so perhaps in a decade we'll be entirely off Windows, but for now we and our users run Windows. Directly, or indirectly via published applications. At home it's primarily RDP. Haven't found any viable alternative for Linux, so my main desktop stays Windows for now.

At home it's primarily RDP. Haven't found any viable alternative for Linux, so my main desktop stays Windows for now. X2go is alright https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/X2Go

X2go, and all the similar ones, work and is certainly better than nothing. But they're not in the same ballpark as RDP and as such not a viable alternative for me.

It's not a dig as such, RDP is integrated at a lower level so can do things X2go and similar just can't, at least yet.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by legitster » Wed, May 01, 2024, 9:41 PM UTC

antisthenes wrote: post #104

legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

> I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages about ads or bloatware or changed layouts, but I found all of the defaults and settings relatively easy to change - if anything easier to find than even Windows 10. The answer is very simple - you're just not a power user. You probably use email and a bunch of other specific apps and don't spend a significant amount of time in the OS (and configuring it). That's not a…

I get your point, but it's going to be impossible to change anything and maintain every single person's workflow:

https://xkcd.com/1172/

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by sys_64738 » Wed, May 01, 2024, 10:00 PM UTC

andix wrote: post #56

legitster wrote: post #36

I finally got the upgrade to Windows 11 and it's... fine? I don't get all of the hate. Maybe it's because I'm late and everything has been fixed, but it's actually been my favorite version of Windows so far. It finally axed some of the vestigial UIs from Windows 8. And built-in driver support for things like controllers and bluetooth accessories have been a huge upgrade. I'm ready to be showered in a hail of messages…

Maybe unexpected: I agree One of the biggest improvement for me was improved multi monitor and multi-DPI/PPI support. Being able to just put two different monitors next to each other and moving windows between them works. They just adopt their rendering on the fly to the screens DPI setting and it works with most current software. One of the biggest issues that block me from moving to Linux, I run my displays with 12…

> One of the biggest improvement for me was improved multi monitor and multi-DPI/PPI support. Being able to just put two different monitors next to each other and moving windows between them works. They just adopt their rendering on the fly to the screens DPI setting and it works with most current software.

This was a significant fix from W10 to W11 as it was truly awful with W10.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by sys_64738 » Wed, May 01, 2024, 10:10 PM UTC

brokencode wrote: post #13

Microsoft likes to alternate between good and bad releases of Windows. XP was good, Vista was bad. 7 was good, 8 was bad. 10 was good, and 11 is kind of bad. Not as bad as Vista or 8, but still noticeably worse than 10. Here’s hoping that 12 will be an OS with upgrading to.

This works when you pick and choose. You ignored Win2K which is the best Windows version ever and Windows 8.1 which was good too.

Re: Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

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Post by loeg » Wed, May 01, 2024, 10:53 PM UTC

lyk2005 wrote: post #105

loeg wrote: post #23

Is there any way to buy a new legit Windows 10 install today?

I'm curious why, in 2024, anyone would want to buy a legit copy of Windows 10. Nearly every device comes with 10/11 preinstalled, and if for some reason it doesn't there are ways around that :)

Building a desktop for my dad.