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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by buffington » Thu, May 02, 2024, 4:27 AM UTC

DangitBobby wrote: post #293

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I had a similar moral conflict at a workplace and I dealt with it by resigning. Despite my outrage, I can't imagine occupying the office of my boss as an acceptable move. It's not illegal for my company to do business I disagree with, and if I don't like it, I leave. Simple.

Resigning under protest isn't really effective unless you are difficult to replace. Even in that scenario, you can almost certainly "protest" more effectively by speaking out and seeking targeted changes and then ultimately resigning or forcing them to fire you when they don't change. Protesting is at its core being an un-ignorable pain in the ass until a problem gets fixed. Resigning is pretty ignorable, especially…

Who said it was a resignation of protest?

The GP did it for themselves.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by Georgelemental » Thu, May 02, 2024, 4:39 AM UTC

nsguy wrote: post #322

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> bombing of hospitals https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hosp... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/18/satellite-... https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/jordan-field-hospital-i... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/18/bloodbath-israel-k... https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/world/middleeast/gaza-isr... https://www.who.int/news/item/06-04-2024-six-months-of-war-l...

I briefly scanned through the links but they conflate "damaged", "crater near hospital close enough for fragments to hit hospital" and other unknowns. the WHO link which we can maybe take as authoritative does not refer to any bombed hospital. We all know there was a huge battle in Al Shifa where the IDF killed an arrested hundreds of Hamas operatives (and has published videos from their interrogations and videos fro…

From CNN's investigation (first link):

> Satellite imagery showed craters near 11 of the hospitals were consistent with those left behind by 2,000-pound bombs. The munitions were dropped near enough for the hospitals to be within the lethal fragmentation radius, which is up to 365 meters (about 1,198 feet).

> Fourteen hospitals were directly hit. Several, including Al-Shifa and Al-Quds, appeared to have been attacked by Israel.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by someotherperson » Thu, May 02, 2024, 4:46 AM UTC

weatherlite wrote: post #340

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Nobody advocates for a Palestinian ethnostate, it's a concession that was made to resolve the issues after the Jewish refusal of a bi-national solution that would have Jews as the minority.

Most Palestinians want a Palestinian ethnostate from the river to the sea.

Complete nonsense. The Palestinian National Charter doesn't restrict citizenship to only Arabs, it explicitly keeps citizenship for pre-Israeli Jews and you can bet a million dollars that it wouldn't restrict the Afro-Palestinians, Turkmen or any other groups. The only restriction in the charter for citizenship is for Jews that moved there after the formation of Israel.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by weatherlite » Thu, May 02, 2024, 7:41 AM UTC

someotherperson wrote: post #343

weatherlite wrote: post #340

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Most Palestinians want a Palestinian ethnostate from the river to the sea.

Complete nonsense. The Palestinian National Charter doesn't restrict citizenship to only Arabs, it explicitly keeps citizenship for pre-Israeli Jews and you can bet a million dollars that it wouldn't restrict the Afro-Palestinians, Turkmen or any other groups. The only restriction in the charter for citizenship is for Jews that moved there after the formation of Israel.

Israel doesn't restrict citizenship to only Jews, it is probably more heterogenous than Palestine. Israel is 20% Arab. The Palestinian 'right of return' is meant for Palestinian and no one else (perhaps unsurprisngly). I don't see how this isn't the will to create an ethnostate, it's a mirror image of Zionism.

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Post by bigbluedots » Thu, May 02, 2024, 8:26 AM UTC

gataca wrote: post #221

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Good thing the lawyer brigade is helping Israel stay just just just barely below the technical definition of a genocide. Google can rest easy knowing til this date one apparent body of justice has blessed the actions as not technically genocide. Certainly the employees should continue to keep their heads down and keep calm because so far its not technically genocide. Judgements based on evidence dated til Dec. 2023,…

We are arguing about the meaning of words, especially words thrown around as libels to try and delegitimize justified self defense. I'm sorry if the facts don't agree with your desires for something to be true. War is terrible and civilians die in all wars, especially those in urban areas where one party tunnels underneath civilian infrastructure to protect themselves while leaving civilians exposed to fire.

A war is usually something that has two sides fighting it.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by bjourne » Thu, May 02, 2024, 10:04 AM UTC

plokiju wrote: post #332

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Well, if you aren't keen on doxxing yourself you shouldn't use arguments that require the reader to trust you. Internet is full of liars who claim to be everything from astronauts, to law professors, to IT employees who have gone through "countless mandatory annual trainings that effectively says expressing opinions on non work related subjective political topics with coworkers/employer is not advisable". I have not…

I'm honestly shocked you're skeptical about this

Because I'm very used to well poisoners and their lies. As in this case, the liars can't offer any corroborating evidence and implicitly demands that you should disprove their lies. Which of course is impossible. Eventually, the lies become so entrenched because they aren't questioned that people like you become shocked when others disbelieve them.

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Post by invalidname » Thu, May 02, 2024, 10:05 AM UTC

runarberg wrote: post #327

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The reason the Palestinians don't have elections is that Hamas would get voted for again. It enjoys popular support. This 18 year ago and half the population thing is bullshit. Half the population doesn't get to vote anyways when half the population is under 18. That's how democracy works. On the Israeli side the reason Netanyahu and most Israelis object to a Palestinian state is that it's clearly just going to becom…

> Palestinians don't want a two state solution This is a pretty generalizing statement about a whole nation that surely has varying opinions on the subject. I would even say a bit racist and dehumanizing. Can you share the survey’s you claim exists which demonstrates this?

I think the parent meant Palestinian leadership. There were two offers for a Palestinian state which included east Jerusalem as the capitol. One by Barak rejected by Arafat and the other by Olmert rejected by Mahazen.

There were undoubtedly flaws in both offers. But that's how countries start. You form something, build trust and negotiate to improve conditions. Unfortunately, Palestinians have always suffered from bad leadership that keeps dragging them to conflict with Israel. They keep losing these conflicts and their situation in the aftermath is always worse. Unfortunately, this is no exception.

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Post by bjourne » Thu, May 02, 2024, 10:08 AM UTC

siva7 wrote: post #171

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I feel like I have to push back against the idea that it is "radical" to object to your labor being used in a genocide. Am I the only one that feels like this is a fairly straightforward moral issue, and one I would expect to -- at the very least -- be allowed to express myself about. I also think the resolution of the moral issue is fairly straightforward, but I accept that there will be multiple opinions there. Sti…

It strikes me wrong to call this a genocide as a survivor of an actual genocide. So i have maybe a narrower definition of the word but i feel obligated because of my experiences to remind to being very careful with this word

"Israel ‘undoubtedly’ committing genocide says Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg". So you are perhaps wrong even if you have survived a genocide.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-undoubtedly-commit...

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Post by salad-tycoon » Thu, May 02, 2024, 10:58 AM UTC

bjourne wrote: post #283

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No thanks. I'm not really keen on doxxing myself. But hey, if you are an IT employee and haven't had to go through those annoying trainings I'd be surprised and a little jealous.

Well, if you aren't keen on doxxing yourself you shouldn't use arguments that require the reader to trust you. Internet is full of liars who claim to be everything from astronauts, to law professors, to IT employees who have gone through "countless mandatory annual trainings that effectively says expressing opinions on non work related subjective political topics with coworkers/employer is not advisable". I have not…

I work for the US government. The trainings are real. I don’t remember this exact verbiage but similar for sure. The grounds of harassment basically constitute whatever the claimed victim feels to be so. For example, (and this is from training), saying goodmorning, commenting on hair, not saying good morning or not repeating back, and more. I just skip through but it’s an in depth asynchronous training supplemented by multiple live events.

Edit: and lest I be accused of harassment, good morning or -silence- to everyone according to your preference!

Ps Also our calendars are provided by the equal employment opportunity office and have helpful quotes each month on what is harassment and what is going to happen to you if you do it!

PPS in addition to multiple asynchronous trainings and live events and calendars it’s also plastered all over the buildings, bathrooms, and break rooms.

PPPS we also get emails regularly from top level secretaries and directors and I think there may be dedicated months as well to increase awareness.

Final: I sound bitter here but I agree harassment is bad but the level of psychological programming makes my stomach turn. Anyways yes it’s real.

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Post by joenot443 » Thu, May 02, 2024, 11:44 AM UTC

edmundsauto wrote: post #336

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> Radically expressing your political voice during your job duties will get you fired in almost all companies That very much depends on which political voice it is. If it's within approved voices, which lies very heavily to the left, then you'll be likely celebrated. But if you take it too far left - or, horrible dictu, a little to the right - then you'd get the boot. It's been like this 10 years ago and is now, it's…

What is the generalizable evidence you base this opinion on? Surely you must have access to a database of the real reasons someone was fired across all of tech?

Is that a database you earnestly expect to be maintained? It sounds to me like you're just asking silly rhetoricals in bad faith, not a good look IMO.