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Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by infotogivenm »

georgyo wrote: post #474
rstuart4133 wrote: post #457

I'm not a fan of sudo. It's does so much it needs BNF to describe it's configuration format. Who knows, maybe replacing the configuration with polkit is a good idea. Still it's a stand alone binary with one clear job to do, simple enough that one person has no trouble getting their head around it so it's not surprising it hasn't had too many problems over it's long life time. This made me smile: > sudo has serious pr…

The article you linked seems to be in support that systemd is in fact simpler than sudo. Sudo, which only does privilege escalations, is only 1/3 the amount of code of the entirety of systemd. Systemd-run has been around for many years now, this is simply an expansion of capabilities of features already exposed.

Em, that seems an extremely generous comparison, where did you come up with that? Last I checked for example systemd relies on polkit for policies, which drags in a javascript interpreter engine. If the author thinks BNF is complex…

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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rstuart4133 wrote: post #457

I'm not a fan of sudo. It's does so much it needs BNF to describe it's configuration format. Who knows, maybe replacing the configuration with polkit is a good idea. Still it's a stand alone binary with one clear job to do, simple enough that one person has no trouble getting their head around it so it's not surprising it hasn't had too many problems over it's long life time. This made me smile: > sudo has serious pr…

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Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by jimbobthrowawy »

fsckboy wrote: post #521
Arnavion wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically `sudo -u` can switch to any user on the system while only a limited few would be allowed as ssh targets. Even root might not be allowed as an ssh target if `PermitRootLogin` is set to `no`, which I do on all my systems.

> Even root might not be allowed as an ssh target if `PermitRootLogin` is set to `no`, which I do on all my systems. would something like PermitRootLogin=localhost punch an enormous hole in your intricate opsec?

I've set up tor on some machines to forward ssh as a hidden service for an easy to configure way to get past NAT before. That shows up as a login from localhost. (could be configured differently, with some extra work)

There's so ways to configure access to a system, each with footguns I'm surely unaware of.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by abenga »

flaptrap wrote: post #470
yoyohello13 wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome is great if you're willing to do things their way. I Like Gnome a lot actually.

Gnome's UI peaked at 2.32. Find out how the users operate and implement so users can work efficiently. Don't make changes just to make your mark or to make users work on the desktop like they see on a cell phone. That is so basic.

Gnome is always getting better (if you want to do things the Gnome way). Why should a DE show any elements begging to be clicked on my desktop while I am working (window list, etc)? I am only interested in what's in my IDE, terminal, and browser. Present Gnome comes closest to my ideal of fading into the background and letting me focus on my tasks.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by abenga »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #520
flaptrap wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gnome's UI peaked at 2.32. Find out how the users operate and implement so users can work efficiently. Don't make changes just to make your mark or to make users work on the desktop like they see on a cell phone. That is so basic.

I have no idea why Gnome keeps on insisting on breaking expectations. From the shell as a whole to the widgets and even the window titlebars they seem to insist on being different for the sake of being different.

Because their choices are better, at least for some of us. Users who prefer the traditional desktop paradigm have a wealth of alternative DEs to choose from.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by skywal_l »

rascul wrote: post #517
udev4096 wrote: post #509

Just a side note: sudo is largely maintained by just one dude https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/graphs/contributors

For three decades. I suspect he hasn't seen much money for the work, but hopefully I'm wrong.

From his personal page:

For the past 30+ years I’ve been the maintainer of sudo. I’m currently in search of a sponsor to fund continued sudo maintenance and development. If you or your organization is interested in sponsoring sudo, please let me know.[0]

[0]: https://www.millert.dev/

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by jimbobthrowawy »

quectophoton wrote: post #363
ezoe wrote: post #121

I wonder what other existing programs Will Systemd attempt to replace in the future. My bet is /bin/sh, maybe they went further to replace the entire POSIX utilities.

filesystemd, replacing ext4/btrfs/etc. It will come with `filectl` for all your file operations, so you will no longer need `cd`, `pwd`, `touch`, `rm`, `mkdir`, `cat`, `grep`, `find`, etc. Instead you do everything through `filectl` commands. This will deprecate many commands from GNU coreutils, which is a good thing because replacing things is always good. Then, since programs are just files, and filesystem will be…

busyboxd?

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by rixed »

logicprog wrote: post #503
dijit wrote: post #493

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Use something else then? Linux won on Unix merits. Feels a bit disingenuous to use that against it, especially when including half the system libs has caused one major and highly publicized security issue already

> Use something else then? What a tiresome response, but here, I'm feeling in a loquacious mood, so I'll humor it. First, what else would I use? I don't just want a "well designed" operating system, I also NEED an open source, customizable one that is compatible with the vast majority of developer tools and build systems and toolchains — and that is, without a doubt, Linux. I don't have a better option from a practic…

Unix "way":

- what matters is composability (ie programs, possibly running from different computers, being able to use each other's output)

- simplicity is required for composability. Thus the structure less file system and the "everything is a file" design concepts.

The same merits as HTTP in the realm of protocols.

The appeal for a stricter and more principled approach are understandable, and the road one end up favouring largely depends on one's early experience I believe.

I, for one, grew up in a world where I could use either a resilient Linux system that could run a treasure trove of programs written long ago for different machines, or a more modern and principled OS (windows) where a small glitch in some non essential video driver would frequently bring down the whole thing. I went for linux, it won maybe for its merits, maybe by chance, and now I'm concerned that a whole encompassing systemd will eventually bring us back where an unrelated glitch, or backdoor, in an unrelated non essential part will bring down the whole system.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by al_borland »

rascul wrote: post #517
udev4096 wrote: post #509

Just a side note: sudo is largely maintained by just one dude https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/graphs/contributors

For three decades. I suspect he hasn't seen much money for the work, but hopefully I'm wrong.

Seems like that might be an issue.

From his website…

>I’m currently in search of a sponsor to fund continued sudo maintenance and development. If you or your organization is interested in sponsoring sudo, please let me know.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by MadnessASAP »

abenga wrote: post #555
MadnessASAP wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea why Gnome keeps on insisting on breaking expectations. From the shell as a whole to the widgets and even the window titlebars they seem to insist on being different for the sake of being different.

Because their choices are better, at least for some of us. Users who prefer the traditional desktop paradigm have a wealth of alternative DEs to choose from.

I suppose my brutally minimalist Sway config with barely there titlebars and a skinny little status bar and not an icon, button, or widget in sight doesn't give me great standing to call for a respect of conventions.

I suppose I should say I found Gnomes luridly chunky decorations and widgets to be personally offensive.

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