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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by adhamsalama »

Shekelphile wrote: post #73
hedora wrote: post #53

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A lot of people are spreading a false equivalence between being antisemitic and protesting the slaughter of civilians and children. Does that count?

Israel doesn't slaughter civilians. In fact, asymmetric tactics and terror attacks against civilians is constantly perpetrated by hamas (as evidenced on 10/7)

Over 34000 dead Palestinians, most of whom were women and children, including in the west bank where Hamas doesn't operate disagree with you. Also they're starving Palestinians, and preventing aid from entering, which would be used by starving malnourished children and critically injured people (including children too).

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by adhamsalama »

khazhoux wrote: post #64
hedora wrote: post #53

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A lot of people are spreading a false equivalence between being antisemitic and protesting the slaughter of civilians and children. Does that count?

This is very true. Still, I’m terribly disappointed how reticent that side is to strongly condemn Hamas and 10/7. Their message is not clean.

The Onion really isn't satire.

https://www.theonion.com/dying-gazans-criticized-for-not-usi...

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by adhamsalama »

dralley wrote: post #51
dekhn wrote: post #29

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the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. But I think some of the more extreme behavior (as you point out, very quickly citing anti-semitism) is starting to be recognized, and the overton window is shifting towards more skepticism of israeli claims. I suspect some of the most virulent statements being made by protesters are being made by what I call the professional protestor class- people who like to…

>the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. Vastly less effective than the competing one, IMO. There are people that still, to this day, think that Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by Israel and that hundreds of people were killed. It seems to be a widespread belief that Israel is primarily European-descended wheras in fact more than half of Israeli jews are Mizrahi - they were refugees from places like Syri…

Is there any evidence of the opposite, that it was bombed by Hamas, or do you simply choose the narrative that suits you?

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

khazhoux wrote: post #62
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #50

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Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs that have been found in protests (you can find examples on google): - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews - "by any means necessary" -> seems to condone viole…

Is someone actually claiming that none of them are anti-semitic? The pro-Hamas antisemites are in the tiny majority of the protesters.

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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

Georgelemental wrote: post #59
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #50

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Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs that have been found in protests (you can find examples on google): - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews - "by any means necessary" -> seems to condone viole…

> "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel "From the river to the sea" has been used to mean many things. At one point it was a Zionist slogan. Hamas uses it to imply horrible things, and maybe it's not the smartest move for protesters to use the same phrase, but that doesn't mean their intentions are nefarious, no more than Hindus using the swastika makes them Nazi

It’s obviously being used in a very specific way. Your analogy is silly.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by adhamsalama »

nsguy wrote: post #48
slantedview wrote: post #37

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These protests aren't about Hamas though. There are other protests about that, and surely those are valid. These protests are about Israel's campaign of what UN officials say is genocide. Most attempts to change the subject to Hamas are bad faith attempts to protect Israel from culpability.

UN officials don't say it's genocide and anyways they're not the arbiters of that claim. Changing the subject to Hamas is not bad faith. Hamas is the ruler of Gaza, was voted into power, and enjoys support of most Palestinians. It's impossible for Israel to "separate" its war on Hamas from the population within it resides. The ignoring of Hamas by the anti-Israel crowd is what's bad faith. Do you separate the Russian…

Israelis freely and democratically elected Satanyahu (among other racist and genocidal maniacs who call for the genocide and destruction of all of Palestine), who is literally their longest serving PM, who literally brags about making any efforts about a Palestinian state fail, while Hamas was elected once 18 years ago and half of the population today weren't even alive then.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

someotherperson wrote: post #69
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #50

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Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs that have been found in protests (you can find examples on google): - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews - "by any means necessary" -> seems to condone viole…

You can read this into anything. > - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel The Israeli vs. Palestinian conflict is, for the Palestinians, about property rights. And both sides claim the full area between the Jordan river to the Sea. Plenty of groups say the same thing, whether it's the Chinese view on Taiwan ("one China!") or the ISIS view on the Middle East (and half of Europe and Asia..)…

I wouldn’t say it’s “Israel” doing this, it’s a belief shared by many (of course not all!) Jews. When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home you tend to take threats against it very seriously. Especially since most Jews in Israel are from the Middle East and if Israel didn’t exist they would literally have no other country in the region they could live in.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by M911T »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #85
userbinator wrote: post #79

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There is such a thing as bad publicity.

There's such a thing as bad publicity for Google also.

there's also the fact that google will just keep being used by nearly everyone. at the same time, for the now fired employees, having "was a google employee" in their resumes will help them land a new job

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by dralley »

adhamsalama wrote: post #93
dralley wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. Vastly less effective than the competing one, IMO. There are people that still, to this day, think that Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by Israel and that hundreds of people were killed. It seems to be a widespread belief that Israel is primarily European-descended wheras in fact more than half of Israeli jews are Mizrahi - they were refugees from places like Syri…

Is there any evidence of the opposite, that it was bombed by Hamas, or do you simply choose the narrative that suits you?

Yes, actually. Lots of it, which has been in the open for more than 6 months. Thank you for demonstrating my point so clearly.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/briefing/gaza-hospital-ex...

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hos...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/24/...

I'd also like to point out that the online narrative in the first 24 hours was that the hospital was "destroyed" with "500 dead" but the pictures we eventually got showed a 6 inch deep dent in the parking lot about 2 feet across and a half dozen burnt cars, plus some blown out windows and shingles. Even setting aside attribution entirely, nearly every other aspect of what was initially reported was demonstratively false or implausible within a matter of hours.

Behold, the "destroyed" hospital where "471" people died, the day after the explosion

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b86e8d6d4133d481c4877d845a149...

Notably, the retractions and actual evidence never went as viral as the unsubstantiated claims.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by D13Fd »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #71
D13Fd wrote: post #65

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> I find it rather incredible. They end it by announcing that they should all be reinstated because they "did nothing wrong". They repeatedly talk as if they expected just to have their "concerns heard", to get a warning, etc. Yeah. This is true "privilege" speaking -- they don't seem to realize how fortunate they were to be in their positions in the first place. Companies employ you because it's a good deal for them…

> This is true "privilege" speaking -- they don't seem to realize how fortunate they were to be in their positions in the first place. This is an extreme assumption on your part. > Companies employ you because it's a good deal for them. If you're lucky, you find a place where it is a good deal for you too. Protesting and disrupting work changes that calculus for the company. It's no longer a good deal for them, and t…

> This is an extreme assumption on your part.

It's not. As I said, that's what I take from a video where a string of people had some of the best paying jobs available to any kind of worker, and at one of the most significant companies in the world right now, but don't seem to appreciate how fortunate they were to be in that situation or that they are replaceable.

> hoping for reason and empathy to prevail

"Reason" is what will get them in trouble here. A reasonable company is unlikely to keep or re-hire disruptive employees when it has other options, and boy does it have other options right now in this tech labor market.

> being snide about it isn't helpful.

I'm not being snide. They have every right to stand up for what they believe in, and there is something noble in that regardless of whether you agree with their view. I'm just remarking on how these individuals don't seem to realize what they had and what they've likely lost.

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