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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. But I think some of the more extreme behavior (as you point out, very quickly citing anti-semitism) is starting to be recognized, and the overton window is shifting towards more skepticism of israeli claims. I suspect some of the most virulent statements being made by protesters are being made by what I call the professional protestor class- people who like to…

>the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective.

Vastly less effective than the competing one, IMO.

There are people that still, to this day, think that Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by Israel and that hundreds of people were killed. It seems to be a widespread belief that Israel is primarily European-descended wheras in fact more than half of Israeli jews are Mizrahi - they were refugees from places like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco. There are people that shout about globalizing the intifada without having any idea what those words mean.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a California employer, Google may have still tripped over state, of not federal, law if they fired their employees for supporting a cause. (But also, practically speaking, they might be fine with a settlement to allow Google to avoid even discovery on this).

Supporting a cause doesn’t provide an immunity idol against being fired for occupying executive offices or other acts against Google. It seems they could be fired for their actions though not for their beliefs.

One is only ever fired for onees actions; beliefs are private.

James Damore could believe whatever he wanted; he was fired for creating a hostile work environment and then doubling down on it.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

A lot of people are spreading a false equivalence between being antisemitic and protesting the slaughter of civilians and children.

Does that count?

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zazcVU_rNyQ (NSFW: Language)

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Rule number one of being a rebel. Don’t do it at work. Protest all you want in the public streets where you have freedom of assembly. You do NOT have that freedom within a corporate office building. Regardless of employer. A few firings and maybe they’ll get the message to take it outside. I empathize with people wanting to speak out over something they are passionate about. I do this often. Just know your venue and…

>> Rule number one of being a rebel. Don’t do it at work By doing it at work, they are risking high paying jobs, putting their careers at risk. In public. Risking something for a protest is the whole point. To the extent that they do that with their eyes open, risking high paying jobs, they are heroes. If they do that thinking the people who control Google will be fine with that and they will still keep their jobs, t…

Their actions achieved nothing of consequence. I don't see how that makes them "heroes", even from the point of view of someone that supports their views.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. But I think some of the more extreme behavior (as you point out, very quickly citing anti-semitism) is starting to be recognized, and the overton window is shifting towards more skepticism of israeli claims. I suspect some of the most virulent statements being made by protesters are being made by what I call the professional protestor class- people who like to…

>the Israeli PR and propaganda machine is very effective. Vastly less effective than the competing one, IMO. There are people that still, to this day, think that Al-Ahli hospital was bombed by Israel and that hundreds of people were killed. It seems to be a widespread belief that Israel is primarily European-descended wheras in fact more than half of Israeli jews are Mizrahi - they were refugees from places like Syri…

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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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> where the most prominent voices in the movement support Hamas I suppose that depends on your definition of "the movement". But I am close friends with one of the activist leaders for divesting from Israeli government-linked companies on my university campus—and they're Jewish. So I'm personally skeptical of the scaremongering propaganda

Are you suggesting that there aren't Jews that support Hamas? I've known plenty of Uncle Toms and Kapos in my life.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

It seems 99% of the protesters are there because of the 13-to-25,000 dead children and women, but the 1% that condone Hamas’s October attack make the news.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unicef-says-over-1...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/more-than-25000-wome...

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs that have been found in protests (you can find examples on google): - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews - "by any means necessary" -> seems to condone viole…

> "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel

"From the river to the sea" has been used to mean many things. At one point it was a Zionist slogan. Hamas uses it to imply horrible things, and maybe it's not the smartest move for protesters to use the same phrase, but that doesn't mean their intentions are nefarious, no more than Hindus using the swastika makes them Nazi

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

Does this qualify? https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ucb-police-seek-... "The five people were part of a group of about 200 protesters, who on Feb. 26 broke down the door of Zellerbach Playhouse and smashed a window to prevent Israeli lawyer Ran Bar-Yoshafat from addressing a group of Jewish students. Danielle Sobkin, co-president of Bears for Israel, one of the campus groups who invited Bar-Yoshafat, said…

5 hateful racist people in a group of 200. That’s not unusual.
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