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Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by fsflover »

sircastor wrote: post #322
fsflover wrote: post #213

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AFAIK we did see how Apple banned political apps in China and Russia.

Yes, but this is not “Evil Apple”, but the respective governments of those countries forcing Apple to take the action on penalty of being ejected from and country. This is abusive government, not abusive corporation (though it’s arguable that an appeasing company might as well be evil.)

Yes, but it perfectly demonstrates what could happen, and people affected don't care about the reason. The actual problem is the monopoly. Also try to force GNU/Linux to remove some packages.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by growse »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #300
nerdix wrote: post #273

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I think a lot of people forget that the iPhone was not the first smart phone. I was downloading apps, checking email, and sending IMs over the AIM network with Verichat on my Treo 650 well before the iPhone was a thing.

The two huge innovations of the iPhone were decent web browsing (I had a Treo, it sucked for the web) and the multitouch screen with corresponding gestures. Nobody else was doing anything like this yet, and I remember this being the thing that blew everyone away at the keynote.

Multi-touch was such an enabler, because it meant you could do an on-screen keyboard properly, which meant you could replace the physical keyboard with more screen.

I remember everyone scoffing at the "lol you can't type on it" dramatically missing this point.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

leptons wrote: post #347
BenFranklin100 wrote: post #332

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Um, there’s something called Android. No need to be on the Apple platform at all. You can switch to it if you’d like. When I walk into a Tesla dealership I don’t expect to be able to buy a Chevrolet.

Um, whataboutism isn't a valid defense with the DOJ. Go read the many counts the DOJ is suing Apple for. It's extensive and points to a systemic problem at Apple stifling competition in many ways. Microsoft lost their antitrust case and they weren't doing 1/2 the shady stuff Apple is doing.

You’re right. They make Android bubbles green. The horror.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by simonh »

gumby271 wrote: post #298
simonh wrote: post #185

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However for Apple to keep making money they need to satisfy their users, so as with all commercial relationships there is a direct commercial incentive that aligns customer and vendor interests. The interesting question is how and why those interests align, and when and where they diverge. The answer to that will be different for different customers, or potential customers. A lot of iPhone customers like me are quite…

The vast majority of people complaining about Apple aren't Apple customers because they don't agree with Apple's business practices or treatment of customers, I don't think that's surprising or invalidates those opinions. I tend to agree that the focus on "3rd party app stores" is stupid, I'd much rather we force computer vendors to have unlockable bootloader's and focus on consumer rights legislation, ensuring peopl…

> The vast majority of people complaining about Apple aren't Apple customers because they don't agree with Apple's business practices or treatment of customers

Given that a very large number of these people buy Samsung products of all companies, the idea that they’re avoiding Apple on ethical grounds seems somewhat unlikely.

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Post by infensus »

tammer wrote: post #218

I’ve come full circle on this but I now think native applications on smartphones was a mistake. There is no technological reason why applications can’t be distributed as PWA packages similar to the days prior to the App Store. This would serve two important functions: 1. Remove most if not all distribution monopoly concerns 2. Create application standards that function nearly identically across the myriad of screen s…

Battery life?

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by xescure »

samirillian wrote: post #339
acidburnNSA wrote: post #326

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What kind of peer pressure did you experience to get an iphone? This doesn't seem to exist in my circles.

For example when you're on a group chat and somebody sends a video and the quality gets degraded and so somebody makes funny of the guy who shared the video but the guy is like "somebody on the group chat has android". and then my pixel was literally being held together by tape and one of the guys is like, dude, why are you such a contrarian, just get an iphone, and true detective was good! but true detective is not…

I don’t know a single person in real life who uses iMessage.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by hollerith »

xescure wrote: post #366
samirillian wrote: post #339

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For example when you're on a group chat and somebody sends a video and the quality gets degraded and so somebody makes funny of the guy who shared the video but the guy is like "somebody on the group chat has android". and then my pixel was literally being held together by tape and one of the guys is like, dude, why are you such a contrarian, just get an iphone, and true detective was good! but true detective is not…

I don’t know a single person in real life who uses iMessage.

Do you live in the US?

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by nojvek »

iMessage gets the attention. In another perspective, I was reading Meta quarterly earnings and they have 3.5 billion active users on their family of apps with WhatsApp still growing.

That’s almost every internet connected person.

And Meta stock still tanked with that kind of growth.

Meta has far more reach than Apple. Only Google comes close with their Search and Ads reach.

I am wondering whether Apple is going to grow much. Vision Pro was a meh launch. Apple Car isn’t going anywhere. There is so much they can juice the App ecosystem.

Is Tim Cook going the same route is Steve Ballmer?

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

threeseed wrote: post #346
Repulsion9513 wrote: post #318

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> there has been no embrace or extend Embrace: include SMS Extend: add iMessage

That's not what the phrase means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Embrace: include HTML

Extend: add ActiveX

Yeah, it is.

Re: The walls of Apple's garden are tumbling down

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #336
Repulsion9513 wrote: post #313

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Satisfying your users - particularly, satisfying them only enough that they don't spend significant effort and money to leave - is an incredibly, laughably low bar.

It’s dead simple to switch from Apple to Android and vice versa. Or are you trying to say Android is such a significantly more difficult platform that Apple users are too stupid to figure out and thus locked into iOS? Otherwise your argument applies to Android as easily as it does to iOS.

Dead simple until you consider that you have to (a) buy a new phone (b) transfer all your passkeys (c) transfer all your apps (and find replacements for those that don't exist on both platforms) (d) transfer all your data/log in to all your accounts... etc.

It's anything but dead simple. (And I went from Android to Apple back in 2020 and back to Android in 2021. It sucked, both ways.)

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