We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

Post by webspinner » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 4:16 AM UTC

jovial_cavalier wrote: post #82

newaccount7hhhf wrote: post #64

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What laws are you talking about? The Internet has grown a lot that’s largely because we have smart politicians and strong institutions. I really think the regulation of the Internet has been amazingly good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_IP_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agre... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

Post by webspinner » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 4:27 AM UTC

zinekeller wrote: post #108

chadsix wrote: post #46

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Legally speaking, internet service providers are infrastructure providers.

Definitely not in this case (unless you're using Digital Ocean as a VPN end point or something). EO 13984 (which is cited as the enabling act) has a narrow definition: (e) The term ‘‘Infrastructure as a Service Product’’ means any product or service offered to a consumer, including complimentary or ‘‘trial’’ offerings, that provides processing, storage, networks, or other fundamental computing resources, and with whi…

Post by webspinner » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 4:30 AM UTC

olalonde wrote: post #266

oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

> Is it that it's a slippery slope or perhaps I'm being naïve in regards to the scope? This. Also, it won't stop malicious actors. Setting up a LLC to mask your true identity is cheap and easy. Not to mention that providing a fake identity or pretending your are not a "foreign person" is also cheap and easy.

Post by webspinner » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 4:38 AM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #125

lumb63 wrote: post #101

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It also looks like it only applies to foreign peoples? That said, I don’t know how you select for only foreigners without collecting identity.

Yeah that's a clever way to avoid having the rules struck down as unconstitutional. In practice though to avoid liability and possibly jail time, providers will have to assume that every customer is a foreigner until they "prove" their US citizenship (by uploading the same ID and other documentation required by foreigners).

Post by webspinner » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 4:39 AM UTC

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #26

AdamH12113 wrote: post #19

For those who didn't know, KYC stands for "know your customer". It's a good idea to spell out abbreviations the first time they're used, especially since the abbreviation itself is not used in the linked article. It's also worth noting that the proposal is about US infrastructure as a service (IaaS) products specifically, not "internet services" in general.

Yeah this is a very industry standard term in banking and anyone in that industry is going to immediately know what you are talking about, but outside of that industry, chances are high that a layman will not