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We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by kube-system »

chadsix wrote: post #27
oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

AI is mentioned, but the scope is significantly larger if you read the fulltext.

Given that top GPUs are sanctioned, I'm sure preventing access to them remotely is a part of this. But just generally speaking, doing any malicious crap out of an EC2 instance is an easy way for a foreign actor in China/Russia/Iran to look more legit.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by lolinder »

chadsix wrote: post #27
oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

AI is mentioned, but the scope is significantly larger if you read the fulltext.

It's still just for IaaS companies, though, right?

Not that that makes this all okay, but it is a much more limited proposal than "internet services" makes it sound.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by gdcbe »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #26
AdamH12113 wrote: post #19

For those who didn't know, KYC stands for "know your customer". It's a good idea to spell out abbreviations the first time they're used, especially since the abbreviation itself is not used in the linked article. It's also worth noting that the proposal is about US infrastructure as a service (IaaS) products specifically, not "internet services" in general.

Yeah this is a very industry standard term in banking and anyone in that industry is going to immediately know what you are talking about, but outside of that industry, chances are high that a layman will not

In the past that would be true. But given most blockchain platforms require it, I imagine it is more widely known in the tech-savy hn-like realms?

Then again I worked on blockchain tech around half a decade ago, so I might be knowledge biased here?

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by axus »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #20

This is about foreign customers only, so as an attempt to abolish the constitution, it is severely flawed in respecting it enough to keep its distance. I can't think of any US service I am using that doesn't already require KYC? None of the large providers will let you get far without a credit card, as far as I remember? Since the discussion here will consider itself mostly with upright revolutionaries being disenfra…

And FISA was only about surveilling non-US persons.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by chadsix »

lolinder wrote: post #42
chadsix wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is mentioned, but the scope is significantly larger if you read the fulltext.

It's still just for IaaS companies, though, right? Not that that makes this all okay, but it is a much more limited proposal than "internet services" makes it sound.

Legally speaking, internet service providers are infrastructure providers.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by drakythe »

chadsix wrote: post #2

Submission Statement: We have exactly 4 days to leave comments to the Federal Government of the United States of America contesting the requirement of KYC by internet service providers. This law is not conducive to a free internet/society.

This is not about Internet Service Providers. This is about Infrastructure as a Service providers, e.g. AWS, Linode, Azure, GoDaddy, etc.

See https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-01580/p-46 for their definition.

Misrepresenting what this is about is not helpful.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

From the executive order (Executive Order 14110) it seems to affect only massive compute infrastructure:

> (i) any model that was trained using a quantity of computing power greater than 10^26 integer or floating-point operations, or using primarily biological sequence data and using a quantity of computing power greater than 10^23 integer or floating-point operations; and

> (ii) any computing cluster that has a set of machines physically co-located in a single datacenter, transitively connected by data center networking of over 100 Gbit/s, and having a theoretical maximum computing capacity of 10^20 integer or floating-point operations per second for training AI.

Keep in mind that most consumer graphics cards are in the _teraflops_ range, which is 10^12. It's hard to imagine this affecting the average person, it seems that they are specifying KYC for people using clusters with thousands or tens of thousands of cards.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by greyface- »

perihelions wrote: post #40

- "To Address the National Emergency" A fast-moving emergency that can't be fixed by normal constitutional lawmaking processes, and must resort, exceptionally, to executive-branch emergency decrees—for expedience. Nevermind the executive order it's drawing authority from was written three years ago. It was a fast-moving emergency then, too, I suppose. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01... (…

Fun fact: we've got active national emergencies dating back to 1979! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_i...
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