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We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by EasyMark »

lumb63 wrote: post #101
AdamH12113 wrote: post #19

For those who didn't know, KYC stands for "know your customer". It's a good idea to spell out abbreviations the first time they're used, especially since the abbreviation itself is not used in the linked article. It's also worth noting that the proposal is about US infrastructure as a service (IaaS) products specifically, not "internet services" in general.

It also looks like it only applies to foreign peoples? That said, I don’t know how you select for only foreigners without collecting identity.

The US government has shown over and over that these dragnet types of regulations are used to gobble up any information the TLAs want and hand wave it away as meta or "incidental" information "found in pursuit of foreign {$INVESTIGATION}"

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

This is a terrible idea!

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

chlodwig wrote: post #76
oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

Skimming the regulations, this does not seem right. All IAAS providers (which is everyone who allows customers to run custom code, so it includes any web host like Dreamhost) to verify the identity of foreigners who open an account. This would seemingly entail the service provider needing to verify everyone's identity, in order to figure out who is a foreigner and who is not. In other words, if you want to run your o…

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Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

.This is what I wrote into the federal register. Please do not allow KYC for the entire internet. This is in fact a miserable failure of an idea. You want to hand our data to AI companies, huh? I do not want to have anything to do with that, or you, if you don't come up with better data privacy regulations. Under the fourth amendment, this would be an unconstitutional general warrant. I thought we did away with those long ago. It does not describe the particular things to be seized. KYC is a ridiculous idea in the first place. It is not designed for the entire internet infrastructure. All the department is doing, is enabling more mass surveillance. By trying to shoehorn KYC into the internet infrastructure, you will make the internet less convenient to use for blind people like me. I rely on it in my every day life. If you decide to make the worst mistake ever, I will have to stop using the internet in favor of my privacy.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by jflwyasdf »

Sxubas wrote: post #153
k8svet wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it so hard time for some of this site to understand that some of us are principled when it comes to choosing technologies? Or you know, actually learned from past trauma and make choice to avoid getting burned in the future.

Not all of us are enlightened. Wouldn't you mind telling us what those technologies are?

Their username says it all: https://landscape.cncf.io/

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

behringer wrote: post #165
chlodwig wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skimming the regulations, this does not seem right. All IAAS providers (which is everyone who allows customers to run custom code, so it includes any web host like Dreamhost) to verify the identity of foreigners who open an account. This would seemingly entail the service provider needing to verify everyone's identity, in order to figure out who is a foreigner and who is not. In other words, if you want to run your o…

Tbh this is fine by me. It's about time the US stop being the center of the world for internet infrastructure.

It's fine to make me, a blind person have to upload a government ID. Cool dude.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

Spooky23 wrote: post #290
chlodwig wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skimming the regulations, this does not seem right. All IAAS providers (which is everyone who allows customers to run custom code, so it includes any web host like Dreamhost) to verify the identity of foreigners who open an account. This would seemingly entail the service provider needing to verify everyone's identity, in order to figure out who is a foreigner and who is not. In other words, if you want to run your o…

Good. It’s not 1999. There are so many malicious actors putting human life at risk in some scenarios it should be possible to figure out who owns what. Now, I would start with corporate ownership and focus on anonymous entities controlling things like Delaware and Nevada corporations. But that’s me.

You guys are stupid. That's exactly what they want to use it for is to train AI.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

RAM-bunctious wrote: post #89
oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

It's really not benign as far as I can see. There is an implication that its purpose is to allow providers to start writing reports on foreign users training LLMs (which, incidentally, I'm not condoning either), but in the process it requires every American IaaS has to start implementing KYC folly. No one wants to send in selfies and their passport just to start a Digital Ocean droplet.

It's absolutely folly! Foolishness by the department of commerce. What were they thinking?

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by webspinner »

justaman wrote: post #37
oshout wrote: post #21

Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

I think everyone has a sour taste left over from decades of half-baked laws written by politicians that don't understand the basics of the internet or technology in general. With that said, I also don't understand the issues people are having with this.

You don't understand the issues me as a blind person has with it? OK I have to upload a government ID every time I want to use an internet service. That's stupid. It's also considered a general warrant, and I thought we did away with those long ago.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Post by tadfisher »

gottorf wrote: post #244
tadfisher wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We established the Fed (and later, the FDIC) because people were sick and tired of bankers controlling monetary policy and wiping out their life savings. How the Fed turned into the ancap Boogeyman is the real destructive force in our society.

> We established the Fed (and later, the FDIC) because people were sick and tired of bankers controlling monetary policy and wiping out their life savings The Great Depression, the savings and loan crisis, and the GFC all happened after the establishment of the Federal Reserve. Sure, I guess you could claim that all of those would have been worse without the Fed, but reasonable minds can differ on that without being…

Your examples would be better if they weren't all securities bubbles.
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