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We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Simple ID scans are already on their way out.

"Liveness checks" where we have to turn on our webcam and let some stranger make a full biometric model of our head to use basic internet infrastructure is the dystopia we deserve, and it's the one we're gonna get.

I hope the "AI" was worth it. Let's see if you can fix this problem you created.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

#152

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This doesn't seem to affect users of internet services, though. It's just IaaS, so things like AWS. With that limited scope, what is the adverse affect of KYC laws on freedom of speech?

How much longer before IaaS platforms require their customers to also have similar KYC policies in their ToS to be able to shift liability downward in case anything goes down?

This law already includes platforms that resell IaaS. So about 4 days.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Wow, what layer of abstraction do you have that allows for that? Even with typical IaC, Terraform, it's going to be a rewrite. If you're leveraging anything beyond load balancers, compute, and containers I don't see how that approaches zero. Some of the services could end up with you having to build/run your own to get any equivalence.

Why is it so hard time for some of this site to understand that some of us are principled when it comes to choosing technologies? Or you know, actually learned from past trauma and make choice to avoid getting burned in the future.

Not all of us are enlightened. Wouldn't you mind telling us what those technologies are?

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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I don't disagree with your premise that KYC enables governments to violate the 4th amendment, but in general, for certain industries this is just generally a really good idea. Banking is the first industry where I encountered KYC, and it strikes me as being obviously good there. Isn't effectively the majority of what the Snowden leaks covered essentially violating the 4th amendment?

>Banking is the first industry where I encountered KYC, and it strikes me as being obviously good there. This is not obvious to me as my experience has been largely negative post-KYC/9-11 vs pre-KYC/9-11. I am a legal law abiding citizen [and voter!] and it's just added extra hassle on various occasions and then the background anxiety of knowing an institution with crappy security track records hold a photocopy of my…

The people who donated to the Canadian truckers' protest had their accounts frozen by the Trudeau regime because of KYC.

The problem is that there are no checks and balances preventing banks from freezing assets because they want to or the government told them to.

Banking needs to be a right, and unless someone is convicted of a crime involving the bank account's assets, banks and governments should not be able to freeze them. There can be exceptions for fraud like FTX where there will be a significant financial harm to other individuals if the assets aren't frozen, but what we have today is unchecked government financial terrorism against individuals they do not like, and now they want to extend that terrorism to speech.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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> You're calling a collection and storage of your personal information as "benign"?! All major cloud services already collect this information. I filled in the bare minimum on AWS, and they've got my full name, address, phone number, email, and credit card details.

They collect biometric data (selfie) plus a copy of your drivers license? That's a big part of KYC/AML. That's a huge difference from address, email, CC number.

You should really read patio11's article on KYC [0]. A relevant paragraph:

> Many people believe that the law requires a bank to see your government-issued ID in person to open a bank account. Again, this is incorrect; the law very rarely requires any particular action. The most prescriptive the US gets is that the sort of KYC information required about a customer include their true identity, including a name (not, incidentally, their “true” name because governments actually have some glimmer of understanding that that is not a thing which exists), a residential address, their date of birth, and an identifying number.

[0] https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/kyc-and-aml-beyond-th...

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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- "To Address the National Emergency" A fast-moving emergency that can't be fixed by normal constitutional lawmaking processes, and must resort, exceptionally, to executive-branch emergency decrees—for expedience. Nevermind the executive order it's drawing authority from was written three years ago. It was a fast-moving emergency then, too, I suppose. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01... (…

We're in a permanent emergency now. Which is no surprise - if a mere voluntary act of declaring emergency lets the government do what they otherwise can't - why not declare it over and over?

Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_i...

In the US we have 42 (!) ongoing national emergencies. The oldest dating back to 1979. I think most of US-based HN readers never lived in non-emergency US.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

#157

- "To Address the National Emergency" A fast-moving emergency that can't be fixed by normal constitutional lawmaking processes, and must resort, exceptionally, to executive-branch emergency decrees—for expedience. Nevermind the executive order it's drawing authority from was written three years ago. It was a fast-moving emergency then, too, I suppose. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/25/2021-01... (…

So national security trumps democracy and freedom? What do you have left to protect when you give it all up? Might as well just elect a king and be done with it.

And lose the profits on electoral show every 2 years? Do you know how much money can one make on an election? That's be silly to give up all that.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

#158

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So national security trumps democracy and freedom? What do you have left to protect when you give it all up? Might as well just elect a king and be done with it.

Why elect a king when you already have a private group of bankers running the show

Systems run the show, not people.

"What important truth do very few people agree with you on?": I believe that nobody is running the show. The systems we have created are more complex than we understand. I think a few people individually understand a few aspects of the different systems (we are not at the complete mercy to these systems).

I also believe that we have a psycological need to know our social heirachies therefore we create stories about who we think is in control. That need creates conspiracy theories! That need creates narratives that certain people are running the world (but when you look closy at those people they are not running things - they don't understand how everything works even though they put much effort into trying to).

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Wordpress clearly does not meet the definition of IaaS in the document. > provides processing, storage, networks, or other fundamental computing resources, and with which the consumer is able to deploy and run software that is not predefined, including operating systems and applications

Can you not add plugins to Wordpress?

You cannot install Debian or Windows 11 on Wordpress.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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KYC in the context of internet services stands for "violating the 4th Amendment".

I don't disagree with your premise that KYC enables governments to violate the 4th amendment, but in general, for certain industries this is just generally a really good idea. Banking is the first industry where I encountered KYC, and it strikes me as being obviously good there. Isn't effectively the majority of what the Snowden leaks covered essentially violating the 4th amendment?

KYC basically means that the job of collecting evidence to prosecute potential (read: non-existent yet) crimes has fallen to yourself and your bank/cloud provider/etc., rather than forcing the government to collect evidence to prosecute a crime. Essentially an end-run around the 4th amendment and the whole idea of "innocent until proven guilty".
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